Thursday, November 15, 2012

Winston-Salem Journal LTE TH 11/15/2012


We must unite
It takes a long time to get used to the loss of an election. But it's important to remember that when people vote they usually pick the best man for the job.
The loss of an election leaves us with memories of many things the candidates said. As long as we have those memories, we will realize that the best candidate won in spite of the false claims made by the other party.
We must work together for the good of our country.
HAROLD D. FOWLER JR.
Pfafftown
Selecting judges
In the 25 years that she sat on the highest court in this land, Justice Sandra Day O’Connor irreparably disarranged our national jurisprudence. Her sin was not liberalism or conservatism, activism or indolence. It was incoherence.
Guest columnist John Wester (“Judges must be impartial above all else,” Oct. 31) dreams of a North Carolina judiciary populated by clones of O’Connor. His means to that end would be scrapping our judicial elections in favor of something like the “federal model” that selected her.
Wester doubts the competence of the voters to fill any office, but he is prepared to abandon to the electoral “free-for-all” all but the judicial offices. Budding O’Connors, he insists, must be spared the indignities of the ballot box, because “what judges do is different.”
He reminds us, for example, that no member of the General Assembly “signs a death warrant, awards custody of a child, or is the final arbiter of constitutional rights.” But can’t that legislator (along with the requisite number of his colleagues) repeal the death penalty, rewrite the child-custody laws, submit to referendum a state constitutional amendent or ratify an amendment to the Constitution of the United States?
So if what non-judges do is not entirely inconsequential, and if the choice of those officials can safely be left up to those of us who (unlike Wester) aren’t past presidents of the North Carolina Bar Association, maybe it is too soon to give up on our current method of selecting judges.
BARNEY W. HILL
Thomasville
Time for a public forum
Thank you for publishing the splendid guest column by Huber Hanes III, “Stadium proposal is a Hawthorne curve ball” (Oct. 21), weighing the consequences of the encroachment on the remainder of Hanes Park by building a 3,000-seat football stadium on Northwest Boulevard between Hawthorne and Reynolda roads.
This sharp slice with a double-edged sword would, in effect, deal a death blow to the already diminished open space dedicated as a place of beauty for the enjoyment of all citizens of Forsyth County.
As the oldest surviving great-grandchild of Pleasant Henderson Hanes, who gave the land for the park, I would like to weigh in in support of holding a public forum on the question of where this decision would take us. I applaud my cousin Huber for his insight into the problem and foresight far into the future.
EVELYN HORTON RICKERT
Winston-Salem
Finish the Thought
Friday, we asked readers to complete the sentence: “Gridlock in Washington and Raleigh will end when …”
“...we have term limits and yank those privileges the representatives have given themselves out of our tax money. Holding political office is a service to the country, not a career. It's the “careerists” who have ruined this country. They think we work for them instead of the other way around. The quality of the people who actually want to serve this country would vastly improve. Their loyalty would be to the people, not to the party.”
CHRISTINE PULISELIC
“…all sides agree to work together, for the common good of all. Not just themselves.”
WILLIAM SAMS
“It will end in Raleigh when the new governor is sworn in because we will then be owned by Art Pope. It will end in Washington when and if the Republicans leave the alternate reality of Fox News and accept that the American people have given President Obama a mandate.”
CYNTHIA GOUGH NANCE
“… Jesus Christ comes back.”
LEE JOHNSON
“In order for gridlock to end, there needs to be an attitude shift in the elected officials. They must actually represent all of their constituents, not just a few. To accomplish this, we need term limits and a flat tax, because the lobbyists they kowtow to are all about tax breaks and government awards.
“We need an easy way to recall them. Other countries can call early elections, maybe we should, too. In fact, I would not only have that option available, but if a recall election is held, no incumbents can run.
“Then we can say to our elected representatives, just like Donald Trump, ‘You’re fired,’ and they would face cooperation or termination for the lot of them. Maybe that would get their attention.”
KEN HOGLUND
“… elected officials do what is best for the state and nation instead of themselves.”
JANICE HICKS

32 comments:

  1. Quoting Donald Trump doesn't exactly help one's credibility.

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    2. I saw where people have submitted a petition to Macy's for the company to pull any association with Donald Trump in ads.

      More liberal bullying..........like I've said before, liberals are the 21st Century's bigots.

      They've raised hate to a new level.

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    3. “If you've heard this story before, don't stop me, because I'd like to hear it again.” Groucho Marx and Bucky.

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    4. Bob, sorry that I repeat myself. Somehow, I feel like people are just not listening sometimes.

      You, on the other hand, are like a cobra, just waiting to strike.

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  2. Good AM, folks!

    ". . . I would not call President Obama's margin of victory a mandate for anything but compromise. Obama himself has said as much, in referring to the split Congress."

    Obama and both House and Senate would do well to keep that in mind.

    Word Watch: yesterday, Bucky referred to dotnet's coments re gerrymandering as "outrageous." No, they were mildly vexing to him. "Outrageous" and other variants are thoroughly overused, as is "awesome," as noted by OT sometime back.
    "Meaningful dialogue": we heard this pretentious phrase frequently during the war in Viet Nam, usually uttered by luminaries like Dean Rusk. It recurred in an NPR report this AM on President Obama's upcoming trip to Burma/Myanmar. My best wishes to him on his trip. I hope his discussions are productive.

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    1. Awesome. If the President is planning on having a meaningful dialogue with the Burmans, let's hope that he has studied up on his Burmese:

      Dinah doesn't
      Treat him right
      But if he'd
      Shave
      Dyna-mite!
      Burma-Shave

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    2. A TB rant isn't a TB rant without hyperbole. Trolls just want to evoke a response.

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    3. I didn't make the initial, stupid comment about gerrymandering, you did.

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  3. "We must unite" Our election gave us gridlock to the delight of the "status quo" governing class. Our nation is trapped in the slow slouch toward the darkness. We didn't actually pick the right man for the job, but the right man to manage our ongoing decay. We the people are the problem. A quote from source unknown: "The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president." Meantime, gridlock may be our only hope as a "free" people.

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  4. "Time for a public forum". Huber Hanes' LTE was good for thought. He may be onto something and the Hawthorne Curve reference was especially good. We lost a family friend to that curve back in the late 1960's. However, I suspect that there is enough clout behind the stadium at present to get the thing built and let the consequences come. I could be wrong but I doubt it.

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    1. Are we saying that Mitt Romney was the right man? I'll try to stifle my laughter.

      If not Obama or Romney, then who is the right man?

      I would vote for George Washington, but, alas, he is long dead, as are Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Jackson, Lincoln, etc.

      I'm afraid that the nation is fresh out of right men right now. Perhaps we could borrow Διογένης' lantern and go looking for a new one.

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    2. Irrelevant as Romney lost. The right person will be he or she that tells all the untellable truths without fear. That our present course is unfit for the name "American". I don't know his/her name but that name will appear in 5, 10 years--I don't know.

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  5. “Gridlock in Washington and Raleigh will end when". It is no longer profitable, affordable, payable, supportable, survivable. When we the people figure out that all of us can't live through the government at the expense of everyone else and we overthrow the men that have overthrown the government....then we will begin the end.

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  6. From that fountain of humor, Maxine:

    Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel ,
    "Pick up your shovels, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead
    you to the Promised Land."

    Nearly 75 years ago, (when Welfare was introduced) Roosevelt said,
    "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a Camel, this
    is the Promised Land."

    Today, Congress has stolen your shovel, taxed your asses, raised the price of Camels and mortgaged the Promised Land!

    I was so depressed last night thinking about Health Care Plans, the economy, the wars, lost jobs, savings, Social Security, retirement
    funds, etc ....





    I called a Suicide Hotline.

    I had to press 1 for English.

    I was connected to a call center in Pakistan ..I told them I was suicidal.

    They got excited and asked if I could drive a truck......

    Folks, we're screwed

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    2. Why'd the little moron (insert Democrat or Republican to suit your taste)drive his truck off the cliff?

      He wanted to test its air brakes.

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    3. Actually, welfare goes much farther back than FDR.

      The early Moravians expected family members to care for any elderly, ill or otherwise disabled in their family. But it sometimes happened that an elderly person, usually a widow, had no one to care for them, so they established a "widow's home", which housed widows and employed a "warden" to look after them. At times, young widows with children also might be living there.

      The cost was born by the governing body of the town. The last widows house still stands at the northeast corner of South Main and Walnut Streets.

      When Forsyth County was created in 1849, the first orders of business were to build a courthouse, a jail and a county home to house indigent citizens. the first county home was located on the west side of what is now North Liberty Street, near Fairchild Drive.

      The home usually housed a half dozen to a dozen people, overseen by a supervisor, who often had a wife and children on board, paid for by county taxpayers. The county commissioners tried to make the home at least partly self supporting by having the county farm adjacent. Those who could were required to work on the farm...typically fewer than half of the residents were able to do so.

      When the court convened each month, one of the duties of the grand jury was to inspect the county home and report conditions to the judge. On occasion, the newspapers would reprint the reports...sometimes everything was found to be in order, other times conditions were found to be filthy and dangerous. There were frequent problems with the overseers, some of whom pocketed money meant for operations and some neglecting their helpless charges.

      The property also encompassed the potters field for burial of the indigent, and public hangings were also conducted there.

      As the county grew, in the 1890s a new county home with a significantly higher capacity was built where the nature Science Center is now on Hanes Mill Road.

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  7. Good afternoon folks!
    LTE 1: "It takes a long time to get used to the loss of an election." - not if people don't take it so dadgummed personally. There are multiple candidates in any election (unless of course it's just a runoff). Just by voting for someone running unopposed, you at least have one candidate who wins. If your POTUS candidate wins, but all of your other picks lost, did you win or lose? If your POTUS pick lost, but everyone else you chose won, did you win or lose?

    LTE 2: Justice O'Connor's "sin" was "incoherence"?? There are 9 justices who sit on the SUpreme Court, yet it is Justice O'Connor who "disarranged our national jurisprudence"?? Just because she was often the swing vote? Because she was nominated by Reagan, but wrote opinions based on the facts of the case rather than the "correct" ideology? The money poured into the state's Supreme Court judgeship race provides ample proof that these positions should not be voted on. How can a judge possibly be fair and impartial to any case brought to the court that involves a company or individual that contributed heavily to that judge's campaign? The average voter is clueless about the law as demonstrated many times by responses to various court cases and judicial decisions. I'm totally with John Wester on this one.

    LTE 3: I agree it's time to either approve the stadium or reject it. Don't care either way.

    Finish the thought: Don't know about DC, but the gridlock in Raleigh is about to end since the R's will have total control. To end it permanently, end the practice of gerrymandering so that non-TB candidates who will listen to all constituents and are willing to compromise comprise the majority of legislatures.

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  8. Speaking of crackpots, here is Larry Klayman, who was once a Federal prosecutor during theCheney administration...isn't it comforting to know that nutcases like this can have virtually the power of life and death over private citizens:

    'Many times in the history of the world, God has destroyed His people and started anew when they strayed from His word. Just ask Noah what the flood was all about! This time, even with the floods of Hurricane Sandy and the re-election of the President Barack Hussein Obama, God has spared us for the moment. Instead God has sent a dire warning and encouraged We the People to rise up, in His name, to restore His kingdom.

    Had Mitt Romney been elected president, many among the flock would have been lulled asleep and deluded into thinking that a Moses had appeared to deliver us out of the Egyptian-like bondage we find ourselves in – thanks to our “Mullah in Chief” and his growing voter hoards of socialists, communists, anti-Semites, anti-Christians, atheists, radical gays and lesbians, feminists, illegal immigrants, Muslims, anti-Anglo whites and others who last Tuesday cemented his destructive hold on the White House and our country.'

    If you believe that you were unfairly left out of Mr. Klayman's rant, please visit him at one of his loony tunes websites, Judicial Watch or Freedom Watch or contact the nearest office of the ACLU.

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    1. Further on in that column, Klayman states he is "indicting" Obama and Justice Roberts on treason charges in some court he founded. While reading through, I wondered if this guy was seriously mentally ill or in the early stages of dementia. He is clearly divorced from reality.

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    2. Yes, I have been summonsed to jury duty in that court.

      The text of the summons read:

      Sha na na na, sha na na na na,
      Sha na na na, sha na na na na,
      Sha na na na, sha na na na na,
      Sha na na na, sha na na na na,
      Yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip
      Mum mum mum mum mum mum
      Get a job Sha na na na, sha na na na na

      It will take quite a while to get to the court, since it is convened on the sometimes planet, sometimes not planet Pluto.

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  9. Our constantly changing language:

    Click on any image below to embiggen.

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    1. Is that the opposite of smallitize?

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    2. Correct.

      To smallitize most things, all you have to do is mash them, using a slightly different technique from when you mash an elevator button.

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  10. Cry, baby, cry…

    "WASHINGTON (AP)— Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney is telling top donors that President Barack Obama won re-election because of the "gifts" he had already provided to blacks, Hispanics and young voters and because of the president's effort to paint Romney as anti-immigrant.

    "The president's campaign, if you will, focused on giving targeted groups a big gift," Romney said in a call to donors on Wednesday. "He made a big effort on small things."

    Romney said his campaign, in contrast, had been about "big issues for the whole country." He said he faced problems as a candidate because he was "getting beat up" by the Obama campaign and that the debates allowed him to come back.


    A small effort from a small man. Romney is as empty as one of those chocolate Easter bunnies.

    Poor little thing…some mean old black guy "beat up on wimpy little Mitty".

    In the call, Romney didn't acknowledge any major missteps, such as:

    1. His "47 percent" remarks
    2. His lack of support for the auto bailout, then trying to claim credit for it
    3. His call for illegal immigrants to "self-deport"
    4. His flip-flopping on abortion, gun control and other issues
    5. His balls out Jeep lie
    6. His poor vice-presidential choice
    7. His reliance on faux "internal polls" and phonies like Limbaugh, Rove & FoxLies
    8. His failure to even attempt to explain his tax and economic plans…and a lot more

    His claim that he "came back" in the debates shows that he is still living in never-never land. He got nothing from the debates. Polls showed that he lost the last two. There was no "Romney momentum". In the real world he trailed from the starting gate to the finish line.

    Obama won the popular vote by about 3.5 million votes, or 3 percent, and won the Electoral College by a wide margin, 332-206 electoral votes.

    I'm surprised that Mitty didn't throw in Hurricane Sandy and Chris Christie as well.

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    1. I don't care how much money Mitt Romney has. The man has no class whatsoever.

      And yeah, apparently, telling almost half the American electorate that they're worthless parasites (while using racial code language) doesn't make for good politics. Hey...who knew?

      That mighta played well in that modern day Galt's Gulch that was JournalNow, but in the real world? Not so much.

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    2. You cannot buy class, nor anything else worth having, nor even the Presidency.

      Mitty used about $42 million of his own money to try to buy the Republican nomination in 2008.

      This time, he decided to let the suckers pay, and pay they did.

      But in doing so he also sold his soul to the crazy right wing bigots. No matter how much money he has, he can never buy it back.

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  11. It's okay to discriminate against white males, but not okay to discriminate against gays?

    Do you ever wonder if liberals will ever utilize any type of systematic logic in their reasoning?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57550670/u.s-court-strikes-down-mich-affirmative-action-ban/

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  12. If Every Food Stamp Recipient Voted For Obama, It Would Account For 75% Of His Total

    http://cnsnews.com/blog/ron-meyer/if-every-food-stamp-recipient-voted-obama-it-would-account-75-his-total

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  13. Denny's owner to pass on Obamacare costs: He will add 5% to bills.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/15/florida-restaurateur-to-impose-surcharge-for-obamacare/

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