Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Winston-Salem Journal LTE's WE 11/02/11

Winston-Salem Pride
On Oct. 15, Winston-Salem hosted its first gay Pride event in 15 years. Estimates of more than 5,000 attendees have been offered, a number that both shocks and excites me. As half of the manpower behind an outreach table at Pride, I got a broad taste of the atmosphere of the event. I was deeply impressed by the sense of openness and dignity the event fostered in its attendees.
To be honest, my experience with other cities' Pride events had made me skeptical of the concept in general. The past two summers, I attended Washington's Capital Pride Street Festival, an event that attracts hundreds of thousands of attendees from around the country. Frankly, I was offended by many aspects of DC's Pride. People behaved with reckless abandon. Condoms were distributed by the handful. Even the trash cans sported the logo of a sexually explicit company. Capital Pride simply did not offer an accurate representation of my community. By reducing gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people to sex, the event only reinforced "Sodom and Gomorrah" stereotypes.
Winston-Salem Pride, however, was an entirely different type of festival. A friend of mine noted that she "could not recall ever being in a crowd of happier people." Pride was truly an event to be proud of. By valuing our community's relationships, families and sense of decency, Winston-Salem Pride united a community used to invisibility. Thank you, Equality Winston-Salem, for uniting the queer community around our common dignity.

LINDSEY HERMAN
Winston-Salem

Job creators
I finally get it. I read the headline "Gap between rich and poor widens: Income nearly triples for top 1 percent of U.S. households" (Oct. 27) — and I got it. The top 1 percent has seen its income rise 275 percent since 1979 while middle-class income rose only 40 percent. That explains everything.
That's why the unemployment rate is so low. These are the "job creators." They made all that money and created jobs across the heartland of America. They created so many jobs, they had some to spare, so they shipped them overseas.
Wow! Let's cut their taxes even more and given them more money. They will create so many jobs that we can pick and choose. Glory, glory. I get it!

RICHARD GROVES
Winston-Salem

A few questions
A few questions to the Occupiers of Wall Street:
  • If they manage to collapse the fiscal system called "Wall Street," are they aware that their parents' and grandparents' pension funds are in there and would be gone?
  • What economic system do they have in place to immediately replace the one they are trying to collapse? And if they don't have one, why not?
  • If OWS is a start of a "revolution," will it be modeled after the French, Russian or possibly a new Industrial revolution?
  • Why aren't they protesting at the colleges and universities that charge the fees and tuitions that they, as students, are forced to pay ? Have they ever asked for a breakdown of how those colleges and universities spend their tuition and fees?
These are things the average 53 percenter would like to know; do they have answers?

STEVE HENDERSON
Winston-Salem

Accountability and vision
Anyone with a passing acquaintance with columnist Michael Reagan's work already knows the man's an unhinged idiot. That in mind, I was of course wary while I read his column on the Occupy Wall Street protests ("Protestors should just go home," Oct. 27), but as haggard and incoherent as Reagan's braying about malcontent activists polluting the cities proved to be, it was certainly no worse than I expect from a coattail-riding hack like him.
One suggestion, though: If the Journal insists on visiting upon its paying subscribers the inanities of grumpy establishmentarians like Reagan, perhaps it's time to drop that credo you print in the lower left corner of the editorial page — you know, the one about demanding "accountability and vision from our leaders" and trying to provide "you, our readers, with the same."
I know nobody at the Journal bothered to fact-check Reagan's claim that most of the protestors are living off their parents' dime. That idea is nonsense, by the way: Many of the protestors are old enough to be parents themselves. And Reagan's apparent belief that the protestors are there because they don't want entry-level jobs is a deliberate misrepresentation of their grievances, which, I think we can agree, falls a touch shy of qualifying as "vision."
If publishing the lies of morons with familiar names is all this editorial page aims to do, then sure, Reagan's your man. But if "accountability" and "vision" really are your goals, you'll have to look elsewhere.

JORDAN HOLLIDAY
Winston-Salem

35 comments:

  1. LTE #3... CaniacSteve must have turned on his spell check. Steve, why are you calling out only the students, #OWS reflects a broad spectrum of people.

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  2. And steve, you are assuming things (that #OWS's goal is to topple capitalism) that just are not in evidence. Bad cop.

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  3. FYI, The Journal's paywall is up and running.

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  5. I'm still able to read and search content on the journal site, when will that change?

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  6. Steve Henderson, if you are Caniac, congrats on being published. The feeling ranks right up there with being listed in the phone book I'm sure.

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  7. I think the Journal is going nowhere with their subscription service. They're already begging people to take a free copy of the paper at grocery and convenience stores.

    When they ask me, I just say no. A la Nancy Reagan.

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  8. This wouldn't be the first time that a business has made a bone headed decision. What about Netflix, and Bank of America?

    On top of that, there are more boneheaded people over at the Journal than in a typical graveyard.

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  9. I was prompted to sign up this morning. I got message that I had exceeded 10 article per month limit already on Nov. 2. I am already 7 day paid print subscriber so it was not an issue. Press+ just informed me by email that they would confirm my Jouranl subscription, but they let me continue after I provide my name, email address, address and phone number.

    Wordly

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  10. I wish they'd just clean out the Journal's staff and start over. It's really pretty pathetic what they write over there.

    I can find out more information from E-podunk than in the Journal.

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  11. "f they manage to collapse the fiscal system called "Wall Street," are they aware that their parents' and grandparents' pension funds are in there and would be gone?"

    You assume that OWS are all students. Many protesters have 401(k)s too. Also, you assume that they want to destroy the system...not necessarily true. They just want to make the system more fair for ordinary people, like you and me.

    "What economic system do they have in place to immediately replace the one they are trying to collapse? And if they don't have one, why not?"

    We're not trying to collapse anything, that's fear-mongering. I would like to replace our current tax structure to something that looks like the pre-Reagan code. And restore the banking regulations that were dismantled in the eighties. It's just common sense, given what's happened.

    "If OWS is a start of a "revolution," will it be modeled after the French, Russian or possibly a new Industrial revolution?"

    Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité!

    "Why aren't they protesting at the colleges and universities that charge the fees and tuitions that they, as students, are forced to pay ? Have they ever asked for a breakdown of how those colleges and universities spend their tuition and fees?"

    Again, you assume that the protesters are all students. But I wouldn't have a problem with protests on campus against the rising cost of higher education. No problem at all.

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  12. You hit the nail on the head, Mr. Groves. The "job creators" are creating so many jobs right now...we need to give them more, and more and more so they can keep up their good work.

    HA!

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  13. Most of the protesters are students or just out of college types. I don't know what all the fuss is about calling a spade a spade.

    I call a gay person a gay person. I don't call them a sexually challenged person. Geez...I'm going to start calling young people 'Generation Nitwit'.

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  14. Mr Groves...the job creators in America today are found in the middle and upper middle class income ranges. The "top 1%" stuff is demagogue bait for the generations old devide and envy movement that oozes to the surface every generation or so.

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  15. whitewall....did you see Condi on Hannity last night? You can tell she's been living in liberal la la land for most of her life. I don't see how she and GW Bush got hooked up.

    She wants to give illegals amnesty and somehow she thinks that will solve our immigration problems. And she is supposedly brilliant.

    Can you imagine if she was an idiot like our dearly beloved Rush?

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  17. Mr. Herman:

    I hate I missed the 'gay pride' parade. I'm sure some of our distinguished forum members were in attentance, but I couldn't make it.

    Debauchery, decadence, public gay sex are all part of the gay lifestyle. You better get used to it, because it's coming in a big way with Democrats in charge.

    Keep yourself and your children out of public bathrooms as much as possible. That will reduce your odds of encountering gay bucks banging. That's my best advice.

    Sincerely,
    Bucky

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  18. Speak of the devil and up he pops!!!

    And speaking of boneheads, Buckunder has to be the leading bonehead, at least in the Triad, and probably in the universe...not to mention a very poor observer.

    1. The Journal and almost every paper in the country has been doing the free issue promotion at shopping centers and grocery stores for over 50 years...duh.

    2. If you actually watch the videos of the OWS demonstrations you will see that the range of people includes teenagers, college students, middle agers and retirees...duh again.

    I asked the other day for a description of "gay gyrations" as opposed to other types of gyrations, but apparently Buckdown was unable to reply. One wonders how he finds his way to the bathroom each morning.

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  19. Good afternoon folks!
    LTE 1: Sodom-Gomorrah isn't such a bad place to after all ;). To be fair, this is a much smaller community than DC so it's not surprising that a crowd numbering in the hundreds of thousands from all over would its share of hoodlums vs. a crowd of only 5000 mainly from the local area.
    LTE 2: Fairly decent satire. "Job creators" is becoming as useless as the term it essentially replaced: "producers". The ones who hired me made nowhere near the 1% cutoff.
    LTE 3: Our own Caniacsteve get published. Congrats! The occupiers do not appear to be in any way of one mind or one demographic for that matter. As to what their goals are, there does not appear to be a single one other than some vague notion of separating business from politics which isn't going to happen. It's certainly not to topple capitalism completely or to start some new revolution. With the SC's Citizen's United decision, the stage has been set for business interests to buy and sell Congress as they please. Btw..one reason tuition is increasing so much is that the amount contributed by the states is decreasing.
    LTE 4: Reagan's column is what I would expect from someone born into wealth who has no idea about how the rest of the world lives. When you have rent, utilties, food plus a student loan big enough to cover an entry level luxury car, a $10 / hr job just isn't feasible. I expect the Journal to provide editorial opinions from a variety of sources and viewpoints, but Reagan's piece really was moronic.

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  20. Condoleezza Rice's nail polish is smarter than Buckleg's whole brain.

    It's hard to imagine what impels a person to deliberately display in public such a wide range of ignorance for all to see.

    We know why he missed the Gay Pride event...he was busy watching GayTube.

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  21. Speaking of the Journal, did anyone notice that the ones who complain the most about having to "subsidize those who pay no tax" were the ones who said they were bailing on the web site, which is subsidized by folks such as Wordly, Stab and myself who subscribe to the paper, instead of paying their fair share for the content? There seems to be a direct corrolation between complaining and hypocrisy.

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  22. I don't read the Journal anymore, other than the LTEs published here. That paper is for simpletons, like Rush A/K/A the forum idiot.

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  23. What's really screwed is the idiots of the world like Rush, actually think they know everything too.

    That's why we have so many Obama supporters in the U.S.

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  24. Yeah, Dotnet. I noticed that too. I think Deb has stated she still subscribes, but most of the complaints about the subscription requirement seemed to me to be by those who complain the most about taxes and big government.

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  25. Wordly, let's see how long it lasts. Once advertisers see that the 'hits' have dropped dramatically and they pull their ads, I'll bet the Journal goes back to a free format.

    What's funny is that the Journal doesn't seem to realize that their 'product' is to blame. If you publish a bunch of liberal nonsense that people know is not true for so long, it doesn't take customers long to figure out that getting news from other sources is a good idea.

    Look at what happened at CNN. Most businesses in N.C. now play the Fox News Channel on their TVs instead of CNN, because that's what their customers want to see.

    The Darryl Hunt and Kalvin Smith Stories get a little old after 10 or 15 years. Capice Journal?

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  26. Re: Job Creators per Richard Groves-- I get his concern about the discrepancy between high earners and middle class earners. My advice to middle class earners is to get jobs doing what the high earners do.

    As for his comments about the current state of unemployment in the US, for the several years prior to 2006 employment was very low. In 2006 something happened, and in 2008 something else happened. Following these events unemployed levels soared. Mr. Obama has maintained pretty much the same tax structure as during low levels of unemployment. Democrats have controlled congress since 2006 until 2008 when they controlled congress and the presidency. Only in 2010 did America begin to reduce Democrat power. Blame the "Job Creators"?

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  27. As usual, Bo huffs and puffs but is unable to blow the house down...just hot air.

    "Something happened". Really? Tell us what it was that happened, Bo. As your freshman comp professor told you over and over...BE SPECIFIC. tell us what it was that brought on high unemployment.

    HOT AIR!

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  28. The Journal has published about 10,000 news stories so far in 2011. 17 of them were about Kalvin Smith.

    Jabber, jabber, jabber, jabber, jabber, jabber, jabber, jabber said the monkey to the chimp.

    Jabber, jabber, jabber, jabber, jabber, jabber, jabber, jabber said the chimpy to the monk.

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  29. “Aba, daba, daba, daba, daba, daba, dab,”
    Means “Monk, I love but you.”
    “Baba, daba, dab,” in monkey talk
    Means “Chimp, I love you, too.”
    One night they were made man and wife,
    And now they cry, “This is the life,”
    Since they came from their aba, daba honeymoon.

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  30. Oops...look at what you've done now, Bob...confirmed the worst fears of the haters club...man and wife, indeed. Next thing you know, people will be descending from monkeys, and I'll bet that some of them won't even be christians.

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  31. Rush, it doesn't matter what caused the low unemployment. It occurred during a period when the GOP governed, and while the "Job Creators" hated by Mr. Groves got the same benefits they get today. What changed was control of the federal government went over to the Democrats. THEN unemployment went to over 9%.

    I must have made my point despite your comments suggesting the contrary. It is the dog that yelps that got hit by the rock that was thrown. And, for the record, I don't believe you know me or my freshman comp professor may or may not have said, once or repeatedly.

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  32. Rush, and that is the institution you are so insistent upon allowing gays folks to participate in?

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  33. Bo, you need to get the fuzzies vacuumed out of your brain. High unemployment was caused by the collapse of the economy, which was brought on by regulatory failure which began during the Reagan administration and continued through Bush I, Clinton, Bush II and is still a problem right now.

    It has nothing to do with parties, but if you insist on blaming a party, that's 20 years of Republicans and a little over ten of Democrats.

    You remind me of Ned Racine in the movie "Body Heat".

    Judge: Mr. Racine, the next time you come into my courtroom I hope you've got either a better defense, or a better class of client.

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