Wednesday, February 8, 2012

Winston-Salem Journal LTE WE 02/08/12


Finish the Thought
Last Saturday we asked readers to complete the sentence, "The Confederate statue in front of the old courthouse in downtown Winston-Salem should be ..."
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"… preserved. I am requesting that the Board of Commissioners separate the property on which the monument stands and provide an individual deed for it. This would prevent the monument from being sold with the building or being moved. This monument marks a time in history of Winston-Salem when brave men fought for what they believed in and families sacrificed much. We should never want to forget that, and we should never destroy the memory of such bravery. Please keep this monument in place for the sake of the truth of our history. When we believe and act on truth rather than our desires, we will discover we can overpower whatever holds us captive."

ROBERT BRAWLEY
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"… left alone. Those who would tear down Confederate statues don't understand history, not of the Civil War but of Reconstruction. Lee, Davis and other Confederate political and military leaders were not tried and hung as traitors after the Civil War because it was more important to give the South dignity and start healing the country. Lincoln and Grant understood this.
"Likewise, these statues are just a token to our fallen ancestors, not a declaration of their cause. Please allow us this small dignity, or do those who want the statue removed know more than Lincoln, Grant and even North Carolina's own Andrew Johnson?"

KAM BENFIELD
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"President Teddy Roosevelt reminded us of the value of honoring American soldiers who fought each other during the Civil War. He reminded us of the valor shown by both sides and noted the honor they each demonstrated by fighting for what they believed. Winston-Salem has a history of remembering that kind of service and has named our convention center for Lawrence Joel, who was awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions during a bitter battle fought in Vietnam.
"Deed the monument and the land it sets upon to the United Daughters of the Confederacy and allow that monument to North Carolinians continue to stand. To remove that statue is to deny history and the gallantry of our fellow North Carolinians. That we see their cause today as a 'lost cause' does not make their service any less noble.
"Unless we remember history, we are doomed to repeat it at some point."

RALPH CHAPPELL
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"… kept in the spot it has been since dedication by the United Daughters of the Confederacy in the early 1900s.
"This includes the Confederate statue, Spanenburg bust, Babcock bust, R.J.Reynolds, the police memorial, the Lawrence Joel coliseum memorials, the arrowhead that marks the old wagon road, all of which represent the history and foundation of Winston Salem and Forsyth County.
"I was a volunteer representative for Save Outdoor Sculpture in the 1990s and listed, photographed and researched numerous outdoor sculptures in Forsyth County for the Smithsonian's database, phase one of which was to save and preserve for future generations."

INAZE LOPEZ
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"… protected for future generations.
"The best solution for this problem is for the county commissioners to separate the property on which the monument stands and provide an individual deed for it. This would prevent the monument from being sold with the building and moved."

SHARON STEPHENS
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"… preserved. I have ancestors who fought for both the North and the South. Both histories should be preserved. That time in history is part of the United States, whether we like it or not. It would be nice if teachers and students actually studied the Civil War the way they study other wars. They would find more to the Civil War than slavery, like Forsyth County Commissioner Walter Marshall only sees. The Confederate statue should stay as part of our Southern history. If we do away with everything in history that offends thin-skinned people, it's no longer history, just a one-sided story."

STACY McGEE
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"… left where it is or moved to another location, but not destroyed. It is a part of our history and as such should be maintained so that we don't forget."

BARBARA ALFORD
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"… left to stand and face a new statue honoring the Salem Moravian abolitionists, a number of whom were publicly martyred here by pro-slavers, for their Christian beliefs. Let our regional history be mirrored in the cruel moral context of those times."

JERE CUNNINGHAM
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"… preserved, as well as all of the factional history of our nation. The Civil War was a fact, and it aided in setting the slaves free, what more needs to be said?"

JANE MABE
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"… left where it is. It has stood there for over 100 years — now a controversy has started over it. It is an historical marker, so let the old boy stand. The statue is part of history — whether good or bad — we (all races) should learn from it."

REID JOYCE
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"… moved to a more prominent place so that all will be reminded of the valor and sacrifice of the citizens of Forsyth County who came to the defense of North Carolina during the War to Prevent Southern Independence."

ALEX AND ANGELA CHEEK
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"… moved to stand in front of the downtown Central Library. By placing it in front of the library, perhaps it would encourage people to go inside and read about the War Between the States, and learn that the Civil War was not just about slavery, but the unification of the United States."

LINDA DIORIO
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"… preserved in its location as a historic landmark and memorial to area veterans who fought to defend the state of North Carolina during the War Between the States. The proud history of our state should not be left vulnerable to shifting political winds and whims; the brave North Carolinians of that era depend upon present and future generations to preserve their history, sacrifices and suffering.
"The soldiers who fought and died for North Carolina in any conflict, and monuments to them, should not be the target of politically-motivated abuse. This is our heritage, and we are charged today with preserving North Carolina history for our children and their children. We must not allow those future generations to question our commitment to the preservation of our history and monuments to our veterans."

BERNHARD THUERSAM
CHAIRMAN, NORTH CAROLINA
WAR BETWEEN THE STATES
SESQUICENTENNIAL COMMISSION

22 comments:

  1. No real LTEs today. Appears most want to keep statue as it stands. I concur.

    Alternate possible topics:

    Sexual Chocolate stout
    Garrou retiring
    Alienation of affection
    Reynolds' layoffs

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  2. I almost forgot. The "real" big game.

    Go Heels!

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  4. Bucky, you are welcome back. Your homophobic and tasteless slurs are not. Stab.

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  5. The more this is talked about, the more hysteria is created over a non-issue!!!

    Keep it!!!

    . . . OR sell it!!!

    . . . OR move it, darn it!!!

    The only ones it should be an issue for is the sellers, purchasers, and ones who donated the statue.

    The only reason it's an issue here, today, is that it's one way JournalNow measures it's readership.

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  6. You know, I've never actually been to Foothills. I've been meaning to try Tate's too (always on the lookout for a good martini or old fashioned), but I don't get to Winston as much as I'd like.

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    1. I'm not a beer drinker but I do like the spirits. I've been to Foothills once; their beer, and their menu, is ok IMO. Personally, I enjoyed The Speak Easy. Every time I went there I always stumbled out happy. The ladies behind the bar always made the best martinis.

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    2. Well damn. Shows you how out of the loop I am.

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    3. I've tried to duplicate their martinis at home, but mine have never tasted as good as theirs. BTW, their raspberry martinis were the best.

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    4. Arthur, by all means make the effort to hit Tate's. Excellent bartenders, excellent martinis, excellent Old Fashioneds, whatever.

      Speakeasy was my all-time favorite place around here. RIP.

      The owners were wonderful people...they were always coming up with new drinks, and I loved arguing with them about martinis.

      A martini has 2 ingredients: gin and dry vermouth. You stir it briskly for about 30 seconds and serve ice cold. You may add an olive or two, or a twist of lemon. Nothing else.

      If you put a cocktail onion in it, it is NOT a martini any more...it is a Gibson.

      If you order it shaken, not stirred like James Bond, it is NOT a martini, it is a Bradford.

      If it substitutes vodka for gin it is NOT a vodka martini...it is a Kangaroo.

      If it contains any ingredients other than gin and dry vermouth, it is NOT a martini.

      Sorry to be such a stickler, but once standards are relaxed you can see what happens...the whole world goes to hell and there are bars in places called Applebees.

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    5. LOL!!! Well then what I've been drinking are Raspberry Kangaroo Bradfords!

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    6. That's quite a mouthful. If I were you I'd continue to call them raspberry martinis.

      My only concern is that when I order a martini, I get a martini, not a vodka fruit punch.

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    7. My high school prom comes to mind...

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    8. Aha...high school prom...Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do...

      When I was a lad, the idea of prom after-parties, frat bashes, beach weekends, etc was to get the girls drunk in hopes (usually futile) that they might do things that their parents had taught them not to do.

      To that end we had a powerful weapon, handed down from our older brethren, a recipe calling for one part Welch's grape juice and one part Everclear (151 or 190 proof grain alcohol). The grape juice disguised the alcohol taste. We called it "Purple Jesus".

      Back then you could buy the 190 proof version in any local ABC store. Today it is widely banned, especially in Canada. In Pennsylvania you must have a license to buy it.

      But you can still buy the 151 proof version in NC and many other states. Legends die hard.

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    9. Ah yes, PJ. I have fond memories of the stuff, blurred and gapped memories, of course.

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    10. One of my dearest female friends, one of the last Women's College grads, sometimes tells the story of her first encounter with PJ.

      She came to the next morning and asked "Where am I...Durham or Chapel Hill?"

      Another, slightly less befuddled young woman said "Honey, I'm pretty sure that we're in Charlottesville."

      "But isn't that in Virginia?"

      "Yep."

      "Omigod!"

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  8. Good afternoon folks! Go Heels!
    Finish the Thought: Don't have strong feelings one way or the other. It should be left up to whoever owns or purchases it. The Confederacy is a part of our history, but I don't understand all of the romanticising of the period. The Confederacy was doomed from the beginning because it was an attempt to preserve a way of life that was rapidly dying out: an agrarian economy based on slave labor. The Industrial Revolution had already begun and the South was being left behind. Why speak so fondly of a 5 year period that can only be considered as a failure?

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  9. Speaking of the big game, three different friends sent me the same e-mail this morning.

    Since 1980, Duke & Carolina have played 75 games. The cumulative score is Duke 5,858-UNC 5,857.

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  10. Now the margin is 2 in 76 games. That comes to 0.02631578947368 points per game, so I guess it is obvious who the better team is.

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