Monday, March 26, 2012

Winston-Salem Journal LTE MO 03/26/12


Sins of their parents
I empathize with these young people who are brought here illegally by their parents and their plight. However, unfortunately, children sometimes must bear the sins of their parents and forefathers. Many examples could be cited, but that's another subject.
It is a difficult situation for these people as well as for our government and its laws on becoming an American citizen. When those laws are broken, there's a price to pay. They are not treated as American citizens because they are not American citizens.
The children who come here with their parents and the ones born after they are here should also be illegal rather than automatically becoming American citizens. Perhaps that would deter or discourage them from illegal immigration.
What about the parents of these young people? Are they legal now? As harsh as it may seem, perhaps whole families should be deported and required to apply for legal status. Everyone is entitled to seek a better life, but it must be done legally. Something drastic must be done since our borders and everything else have failed.

VELMAR FAISON
Winston-Salem
Immigration thoughts
The writer of the letter "On Alberto" (March 21) is against the children of illegal immigrants staying in America because, he says, they would be benefitting from their parents' crime. He uses the analogy: Suppose a man robs a bank and gives the money to his child. Should the child get to keep it? He answers no.
But if his analogy plays out, then what he advocates is not only that the child mustn't benefit from the crime by keeping the money, he must also be punished, just as the children of illegal immigration must be punished by being made to leave the country. According to the letter writer's logic, the child must go to prison with his father.
I don't think that would be fair to the thief's child, nor is deportation fair to the children of illegal immigrants.
Contrary to what the writer claims, some illegal acts have , historically, benefitted us. Almost 60 years ago, Rosa Parks refused to sit in the back of the bus — which she was legally required to do — and spurred the Civil Rights Movement. The walls of segregation came tumbling down, and, yes, the children of conscientious objectors certainly benefitted from it. Our whole country benefitted from it.
And for all those repeating that worn, clichéd, meaningless question, "What part of 'illegal' do you not understand?" I understand that if we pass the DREAM Act, we won't have to worry about their being illegal. Problem solved.

JAMES T. FULLER
Winston-Salem
God the rock
Many Americans, from the president to the pauper, have opinions like the wind that drift around with no stability or source of authority.
What authority did our Founders use to claim a higher law above all sovereigns and nations? They declared "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" as their authority, which their law book — Blackstone's Commentary on the Laws of England — acknowledged as the Bible's Holy Scriptures to be the highest universal authority.
Is there evil? Then there must be good, which necessitates a moral law to differentiate between the two, so that we know right from wrong. If there is a moral law, then there must be a moral lawgiver — God, our Creator. But, if there is no lawgiver, there is no moral law and therefore no right or wrong or evil.
Our nation's opinions drift in the wind over the definition of marriage. What is wrong with our Creator's definition, which meets the physical design to reproduce the next generation? All the endearing attributes are there as well. The eyes of the woman look deep into the man, communicating I will bear and raise our children; I will go wherever you go and be by your side, faithful to you, until death do us part . The man as well, looks in love, steadfast, with the resolve of steel, to provide and protect his family and be faithful to his wife until death does them part.

E.A. TIMM
Walnut Cove

20 comments:

  1. Lte1....it sounds like you are talking about consequences? That just may be the problem....we as Americans are living with the consequences of our no consequences culture in virtually every walk of life.

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  2. Lte2..."Dream Act"= problem solved? Hardly. More like problems changing form and starting all over again. The act will soothe some emotions in the short run, but as with all political schemes hatched in Washington, the next round of emotional political tumult will begin.

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  3. Lte3....man oh man don't let that get loose in our present day culture! We are in a brief moment of time where the only true evil are those who stand in the way of the ever growing power of the State. Get with it!

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  4. WOW! The comments were turned off on the Journal website before I had a chance finish typing my draft.

    LTE#1: A well thought out, written and respectful letter. I've disected the letter to make a couple of points of my own:

    "They are not treated as American citizens because they are not Americans": . . . they SHOULD, however, be treated as the human beings that they are. Many letter writers, his not included, are SO vitriolic that they demonize the human being.

    "The children who come here with their parents and the ones born after they are here should also be illegal rather than automatically becoming American citizens." . . . the statement sounds more like wishfull, or hopefull, thinking but unless and until there are changes birthright citizenship is the law.

    The problem still remains: How to deport an ENTIRE family if one or more of the family is an American citizen by birthright?

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    1. Wish your comments had made it onto the site. Lots of let's send all back on there right now.

      What VELMAR FAISON fails to realize is that in reality no way to become legal.

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    2. It's there now. Took awhile; been checking back every once in a while, though, because my posts on JournalNow have a habit of disappearing especially when Deb Phillips is participating. Had a talk with the online editor about this problem.

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    3. I've noticed that...sometimes when you've replied to my posts, I get a Facebook notification but it doesn't show up on Journalnow. Hmmmm.

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    4. I still can't see your posts on the official site.

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    5. Same thing happens when I try to post to the Journal site. If I reply to a particular post, the poster gets a notification from Facebook and it appears on my FaceBook page.

      And at first, the post appears on the Journal site, but I'm the only one who can see it. Sometimes it disappears after a few minutes...sometimes it hangs around for half an hour, but no one can see it but me.

      Numerous communications with the editor have led me to read between the lines of their replies...they haven't got a clue what's wrong. It's not at the FaceBook end...so it's got to be a Journal problem.

      I know a couple of other people who have the same problem. I gave up. So did they.

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    6. My posts sometimes absolutely disappear, so what I've started doing is posting on JournalNow, then re-posting (C&P) on my facebook account so that anyone who is interested can go back and read. When the comments disappear on JournalNow, they also disappear from FB which is why I have gotten into the habit of posting on FB also.

      Interestingly enough, the ones that disappear are the ones Deb Phillips participates in. I got home from my second shift job one night last week and a comment I had posted re AJV's had disappeared. I then commented on Deb's comment and within ONE MINUTE my comment disappeared. I posted another comment to hers, and again it disappeared immediately. A few more exchanges, all disappeared. I then made a comment to the effect that I now knew who JournalNow's moderator, since my comments to hers were disappearing and MIRACLE OF ALL MIRACLES!!! Two of those comments miraculously re-appeared!!! I spoke by phone to the online editor the next morning about my suspicions, but O.T. - - - I think you're right . . . THEY DON'T HAVE A CLUE.

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    7. @wordly: The only time I can see my own posts (when they actually post) is when I'm signed into FB. The comment remains as of about an hour ago, last I checked.

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    8. I just don't see any thing that remotely sounds like you LaSombra. I thought in the past I had seen your posts as LaSombra.

      I don't think you're Linda Patoni Diorio:

      Beautiful letter, EATimm. I'm sure you will get a lot of flack for your opinion, as will I for agreeing with you. So be it. Remain steadfast.

      The other posters I see appear to be male.

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    9. @Wordly: Posting as Misty Navarro.

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    10. No choice but to love that name!!!

      Way back just before the dinosaurs died, I knew a lady of that same moniker. She danced at "China Doll" on the square in San Diego and lived right across the road from me at Pacific Beach. Many a night I went downtown and drove her home from work. Sweet, and very smart, lady, a student at Cal San Diego. Hadn't thought about her in years.

      Today there is an emergency medicine physician in Salinas, CA by the same name. Wonder if it is her.

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    11. It is almost always a mistake to go looking for something nebulous on the web.

      I tried following up on Dr. Misty Navarro. Definitely not her. Maybe her daughter...she wasn't the marrying kind, so the name might still work.

      That led me to YouTube link for Jorge Navarro doing a solo piano rendition of the song "Misty". Not so hot. From there to a student singer auditioning the same song...pretty bad.

      But from there, a gem. A video of the great Erroll Garner, who wrote the song, playing it before a live audience. Of course, I'm never satisfied. Now I'm wishing that I had been there to hear it live, although I would have to have been born a bit earlier. Check it out:

      Erroll Plays Misty

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    12. Of course, you cannot mention the song "Misty" without mentioning Clint Eastwood's directorial debut, the movie "Play Misty for Me" (1971).

      Eastwood wanted to direct so badly that he made a deal with the studio to forego his acting fee. It worked out pretty well, because it was a terrific, moody, creepy film, nominated for a Golden Globe.

      I couldn't tell you how many times I have seen it.

      Jessica Walter is a female version of Anthony Perkins in "Psycho". Many later movies, including, "Fatal Attraction", drew their inspiration from "Play Misty".

      Donna Mills was perfect as Clint's naive girlfriend, but the casting of the female lead was just about perfect. The studio wanted Lee Remick, who would have been excellent, I'm sure, but Clint insisted on Jessica Walter, who delivered the performance of her career. Near the end, Jessica's character is seen drowning in the ocean…she insisted on doing the scene herself…no body double.

      Much of the film was shot on location in Carmel, one of the most beautiful towns in the US. And of course, Clint became, many years later, the mayor of that town.

      And Clint seized the moment to display his passion for jazz. The concert scenes were shot at the Monterrey Jazz Festival, the west coast equivalent of the older Newport Jazz Festival. I regret that I only got to go to Monterrey once.

      The soundtrack was loaded with great stuff. Here are a few of the best:

      "Misty" composed and performed by Erroll Garner

      "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" written by Ewan MacColl and sung by Roberta Flack

      "Willie and the Hand Jive" composed and performed by Johnny Otis

      "Country Preacher" composed by Joe Zawinul and performed by Cannonball Adderley

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    13. You've done a lot of research, Rush. Mine is a pseudo name. Misty is a nickname, shortened from another nickname my sister called me: Miss Tinajas. Tinaja is a Spanish word for a piece of clay pottery that's used to keep drinking water fresh. My sister shortened it to "Miss T", I started spelling it Misty. Navarro is my mother's maiden name. Both my parent's last names have their origin in Spain.

      "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" - - - one of my all time favorite songs by one of my all time favorite artists. She also sang a few other of my all time favorite songs: "Killing Me Softly With His Song", "Where Is The Love", "Feel Like Makin' Love", and "The Closer I Get To You". It's my understanding she's a North Carolina native.

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  5. I'm a little tired of both subjects covered in today's LTEs.

    LTE #1 & #2 - First, let me say that my ancestors (mother's from Scotland, 1630s; father's from Scotland, 1730s) came here undocumented and then took land from the earlier inhabitants, so I guess they were double crooks.

    Sometimes I wish that around 1740 they had implemented the same sort of immigration laws that we have today. That would mean that the people who howl the loudest about immigration today wouldn't even be here. Their families would still be herding sheep in Ireland or making sausages in Germany or sitting in Italian jails or something like that.

    Second, let me point out that no one knows for sure how many illegal aliens there are in the US today, but the highest expert estimates indicate around 12 million, which comes to barely 3.5% of the entire population. That is nowhere near enough to justify all the hullabaloo.

    But that tiny percentage has a significant effect on several areas of our economy, the most important being construction, both private and public...buildings, roads, bridges, what have you. If we could magically deport every illegal alien tomorrow, work would grind to a halt on many important construction projects nationwide because there wouldn't be enough workers to get the job done.

    Also, it is true that some illegal aliens work off the books and do not pay taxes. But their numbers are dwarfed by the number of US citizens of all races and ethnicitys who do the same. If all of the off the books tax dodgers had to start paying taxes tomorrow, we could balance the budget without cuts or tax increases.

    But most illegal aliens, through the ITIN program, do pay taxes. The IRS does not break out ITIN numbers, but two recent studies agree that the annual amount of federal tax paid is about $12 billion. That does not include state and local taxes, including sales and property taxes, that drive the number well past $20 billion.

    We have far more important problems than a handful of illegal aliens. And I really don't want to hear from the doomsayers about how illegal aliens are bankrupting California. Legal California citizens are responsible for California's money woes...bad choices and bad politics. California will recover and move on.

    LTE #3 - "But, if there is no lawgiver, there is no moral law and therefore no right or wrong or evil."

    JESUS CHRIST!

    If Mr. Timm and his ilk cannot be moral without some law or the other, then they are the most pathetic of humans.

    I know many christians who are fine, moral people. I know even more Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, Wiccans, atheists and agnostics, maybe even a satanist or two, who are just as fine and moral. I wish someone would dig a deep grave and bury this foolish subject once and for all.

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  6. Good afternoon folks!
    LTE 1: Yes, it is a difficult situation all around, which is why Congress should do something to address the situation. Those brought over by their parents had no say in the matter. Sending them back to their parents' homeland having lived here their entire life seems counter-productive. I believe the answer lies in what the author of LTE 2 says.
    LTE 2: It was a poor analogy, as is vitually every analogy that I've seen submitted. The DREAM Act does seem to be the most logical and realistic way of dealing with the situation. The irony is that the unfortunate Alberto is most likely unable to meet the DREAM Act's qualifications for attaining citizenship based on his record.
    LTE 3: The last paragraph reminds of the putrid dialogue between Christensen and Portman in Star Wars episode 3. Does the author write Harlequin romance novels? Aside from the theological arguments over good and evil, marriage is a human invention (not all animals have a single mate for life). There have been many variations of marriage other than 1 adult male and 1 adult female. Not every couple marries for reproductive purposes, and there are artificial reproductive methods available today as well as adoption.

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    1. It didn't help that Christensen can't act his way out of a paper bag.

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