Monday, October 31, 2011

Winston-Salem Journal LTE's MO 10/31/11

Wilkes is aware
I refer to your Oct. 17 editorial, "Show us the jobs": Your negative analysis of both the president's American Jobs Act and of Wilkes County are uninformed and distasteful. Wilkes residents with different political viewpoints have cooperated smoothly to make this presidential visit a success. We have done this without opposition among ourselves. Your attempt at discrediting this even before the event happens and introducing a troublemaking voice is not appreciated.
Wilkes Countians are not as dismissive as your editorial writers, who seem to believe all of us in Wilkes politely host the president while disapproving of him over jobs. Wilkes Countians are aware of who is greatly responsible for the economic woes of the country and who is trying to improve our lot.
The president came here to make an important point, and we indeed listened and responded in appreciation. Don't tell us that we, like you, didn't mean it when we thanked him.

DICK UNDERWOOD
North Wilkesboro

Turned away
I went to my very first Lexington BBQ Festival Saturday. It is amazing how rude some folks can be!
Imagine a paying customer wanting to use the restroom. Whatever was I thinking!
A shop refused to allow four of us (all paying customers, mind you) to use its restrooms.
Reason: we were not VIPs! Paying customers, yes ... but not ticket-holders for the afternoon bands.
No purple arm band, no using the restroom allowed!
Remember that when you go to Lexington. If you are not important enough to use their restroom ... you are not good enough to patronize their premises!

RALPH CHAPPELL
Winston-Salem

No random testing
John Hood argues that drug-testing welfare recipients is an idea "deserving of consideration" ("It's time to test Tillis' idea" Oct. 23), but medical experts and court rulings say otherwise.
The Center for Addiction and Mental Health recommends against random, suspicion-less drug-testing of welfare recipients, finding it more effective to better train government workers to detect signs of substance abuse in order to provide proper treatment to those who need help.
The American Public Health Association, National Association of Alcoholism and Drug Abuse Counselors, American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, National Coalition for Child Protection Reform, and National Advocates for Pregnant Women also oppose testing as a precondition of assistance. Studies show that welfare recipients are no more likely to use drugs than the general population, most hard drugs are typically untraceable after a few days, and testing cannot detect the most commonly abused drug: alcohol.
When Michigan tried enacting a drug-testing program for welfare recipients in 2003, a federal court struck it down as unconstitutional. Here in North Carolina, the Court of Appeals ruled in 2009 that the Graham County Board of Education's proposal to randomly drug-test its employees was also unconstitutional. And just last week, a federal judge blocked a new law in Florida that would require welfare recipients to first pass a drug test, saying such a program likely violated the Constitution's ban on unreasonable searches and seizures.
North Carolina should not go down this road. Such programs are expensive, ineffective, unconstitutional and based on unfair, inaccurate stereotypes.

Jennifer Rudinger, Executive Director
ACLU of North Carolina

The real debt
The debt that we are passing on to our children is more than just the national debt from many deficit budget years; it is also the infrastructure debt of all the roads, bridges, dams, levies and municipal structures that have not been maintained over the years. It has been too easy to neglect these items by assuming that they can wait and will be around forever. Roman stone arches have stood for centuries, but our bridges contain steel rebar and tensioning cables that allow for much longer and less costly piers and spans. If inevitable cracks in the concrete are not patched, moisture will enter, rust the steel, and chunks of concrete will fall off the structure. Also, any exposed steel needs to be continuously painted.
We should spend the money now, even at the cost of increasing our immediate debt, because it will only cost us more to fix things later, and to avoid another massive bridge failure. Spending the money now would create jobs, and much of the money spent on those jobs would come back into the economy in the form of other jobs, taxes on wages, and reduced unemployment compensation. This work would have to be done in the U.S.; you can't ship bridges to China for repair. The public sector is the best way to create jobs right now. The private sector just isn't doing it. Trickle down does not work — it trickles overseas.

DAVE TURCK
Clemmons


78 comments:

  1. LTE #1..."Republicans favor tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations, but these had no stimulative effect during the George W. Bush administration, and there is no reason to believe that more of them will have any today," writes Bruce Bartlett. He's an economist who worked for Republican congressmen and in the administrations of Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

    As for the idea that cutting regulations will lead to significant job growth, Bartlett said in an interview, "It's just nonsense. It's just made up."

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  2. LTE #3.. Random Testing. The State of Florida has spent ~ $250,000 in drug testing and saved $46,000 in welfare payments. Is a $46,000 return on an investement of $250,000 conservative economics?

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  3. I guess Ralph Chappell discovered he's not one of the 1%.

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  4. LaSombra....wait for what? How long can you hold it?

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  5. Trump, Bachmann, Perry, Cain.......next please.

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  6. Funny, the two candidates leading in the Iowa polls are the two who have spent least amount of time there. lol

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  7. Lte4...you must not drive some of the places I do. Road and bridge work are happening now, then and will in the future. What you mention goes on all the time and creates the same jobs that are available now. Problem is, no WEALTH is created. Our difficulties far surpass roads and bridges just as our difficulties far surpass tax cuts to the current tortured and outdated Tax Code. Our capacity to add much more to our national debt is near an end.

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  8. @whitewall: sh-h-h-h-h . . . wait for it . . .

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  9. LaSombra...I'm trying but these darned adult diapers only last so long. I won't need a purple band as purple might show up on its own.

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  10. @whitewall: Ghosts, goblins . . . sh-h-h-h-h . . .

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  11. Good afternoon folks!
    LTE 1: Here's the editorial Show us the jobs. Looking over it, I don't see the editorial being as negative towards the jobs act or Wilkes County as Mr. Underwood claims. The people of Wilkes County (Countians???) were quite excited to have the POTUS show up regardless of party. The President has a lot of power and influence, but given the 3 prong type of govt setup we have, it still requires cooperation from the other branches to make anything happen. The editorial's directive should have been addressed to Congress as well.
    LTE 2: IIRC, there were over 100k in attendance. Given that it was a food festival, and that there were a LOT of people expected to attend, I would think there would be far more facilities available than the single shop. It would be interesting if a representative from said shop would send a reply, so we could hear from their side.
    LTE 3: "Such programs are expensive, ineffective, unconstitutional and based on unfair, inaccurate stereotypes" - that sums it up quite well.
    LTE 4: Infrastructure maintenance is always an ongoing concern, but how much of it is fed and how much is state? There are already several bridges in Forsyth that are scheduled to be overhauled, plus there is the continuous work on I40 along with 52. Private jobs are increasing, but they are being offset by losses in public jobs.

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  12. dotnet....shhh, LaSombra and I are waiting for it...Help us wait.

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  13. @WW: LOL! Happy Halloween, everyone!

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  14. Actually Bob, the savings in Florida from drug testing is much more than the $46k you quoted. You see Bob in Florida if you fail the test you loose your "benefits" for 6 months...but if you know you are "dirty" i.e. using drugs then all you have to do is wait long enough for the drugs to get out of your system then you go take the test, which is what they have found people are doing. So people how have used drugs are forgoing their checks until such time as they can pass the test. Once they pass the test then they can reapply that same day.
    Hope all are doing well, or at least as well as they can. I dont drop by often as I am far too busy. A few days ago Bob was concerned about the guy at the Occupy Oakland protest who received a head injury while protesting. Well here is an update on him.
    http://patdollard.com/2011/10/disgraced-iraq-war-veteran-cocain-addict-injured-at-ows-oakland-is-founder-of-ihatethemarinecorp-com-website/
    Take care all, Roblo58a.

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  15. Actually, Roblo58a, you old dullard, you will believe anything. No matter how you cut it, Florida has spent more money testing than it has saved in the 2% it found tested positive. Which is less than the military tested. Kinda moot now that the law has been blocked.
    As for the I hate marines. Well Breitbutt has fooled you again. That website is owned by Scott Olsen of 16524 Hwy 67 Milan, Illinois 61264 United States
    It was set up on GoDaddy.com while Marine Scott Olsen was in Iraq.
    There are a few other technical aspects involving google caches
    I'm afraid at least for the moment, that accusation, like you, has been refuted.

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  16. Breitbart has shown himself on so many occasions of doing or saying anything, true or not.

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  17. Scott Olsen is also a pitcher for the Pittsburgh Pirates.

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  18. and you know what, maybe he did set up the website, but you and breitbart are going to have to do a lot better to make it convincing.

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  19. More than once, Scott has said publicly that people on welfare use drugs at a higher rate than the general population. The 2 percent test fail rate seen by DCF, however, does not bear that out.

    According to the 2009 National Survey on Drug Use and Health, performed by the U.S. Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services, 8.7 percent of the population nationally over age 12 uses illicit drugs. The rate was 6.3 percent for those ages 26 and up.

    A 2008 study by the Office of National Drug Control Policy also showed that 8.13 percent of Floridians age 12 and up use illegal drugs.

    Newton said that's proof the drug-testing program is based on a stereotype, not hard facts.

    "This is just punishing people for being poor, which is one of our main points," he said. "We're not testing the population at-large that receives government money; we're not testing people on scholarships, or state contractors. So why these people? It's obvious-- because they're poor."

    Scott's office did not respond to a request for comment.

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  20. A few days ago Bob was concerned about the guy at the Occupy Oakland protest who received a head injury while protesting. Well here is an update on him.
    http://patdollard.com/2011/10/disgraced-iraq-war-veteran-cocain-addict-injured-at-ows-oakland-is-founder-of-ihatethemarinecorp-com-website/

    thanks for the update, heartless.

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  21. I mean, Roblo58a, you could care less about that marine and any update. That was not about him that was about discrediting me in some way. Well the only one you have discredited is yourself.

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  22. and you can spin it any way you like,

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  23. Read my lips, no more ultrasounds or drug testing.

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  24. bob, i have lots of imagination. i wasnt trying to discredit you (as i give you no credit to begin with)just give the info. to liberal bleedin hearts such as you i might be heartless, but then your opinions bother me none. 2% failure rate in Florida, might be correct but not accurate because those who would fail dont test until such time as they will pass. what difference if it was set up by GoDaddy? And he surely could have set it up while in Iraq as soldiers there have considerable computer access. Believe your spin as you must.

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  25. NEW YORK (AP) -- Consumer fury has felled the monthly debit card usage fee.

    Regions Financial Corp. and SunTrust Banks Inc. followed their big bank rivals on Monday by doing away with monthly fees for using debit cards.

    Regions, based in Birmingham, Ala., had started charging $4 per month in October. Atlanta-based SunTrust began charging new customers $5 per month in June.

    The regional banks made their moves after larger banks including JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Wells Fargo & Co. said on Friday they would end testing of similar fees.

    Looks to me like #OWS is already having a major effect.

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  26. Oh and it has yet to be factually determined if Olsen was injured by police actions or actions of the protesters. It is still under investigation. the more that comes out about Olsen the more likely it is that he was an instigator and not a mere participant. signed me

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  27. no just the free market responding to customers needs and wishes. by backing ows its good to see you back anarchy. but then most leftist do.

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  28. is there any solid evidence, Roblo58a. I mean why would I believe a self proclaimed sloth?

    It could have been him, for sure, but so far no real evidence. Even if someone hates the marines, doesn't mean they deserve to be hit and hospitalized, now does it? I would even show concern for you, Roblo58a, if you were injured and in critical condition in the hospital. But that's just me.

    you always mirror me don't you, spin little dreidel, spin

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  29. the only fact that concerns me is there is a young man who fought for his country whetner he liked the marines or not, and served two, count them, two depolyments, in critical condition in a hospital. If and when the facts are all in, I will let them speak for themselves, rather than rely on anything I read on the internet.

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  30. if you're against the Dream Act, then Rick Perry says your heartless too.

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  31. Anarchy: an-er-kee, noun.

    "A state of society without government or law. Political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control."

    Incorrect use of the word, Anon. At every turn the Repugs make sure that they be in TOTAL control.

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  32. Roblo58a is notorious for his misuse of words, especially verbs, He is also the generalissimo of generalizations and the Imam of misapplied metaphor.

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  33. And he admits he is lazy, so I am always a bit skeptical of his "research"

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  34. If it is proved this is a different scott olsen i will stand corrected as i got the link off a website. the author of the story said he had not verified if it was the same olsen but by looking at his fb the pictures do seem to be very familar, i know i looked and the fb refers to him as the injured. i dont mean to sound heartless and i hope he continues to improve, i just dont back or support violent lawbreakers, which the owsers are. it all boils down to this, if your in a mob and you advance on a police line, you better stop when the police say so, otherwise bad things will happen to you. and here i thought you supported lawenforcment officers. signed me

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  35. Ha!

    And the maestro of misanthropy.

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  36. as far as the dream act goes Rick Perry is wrong. well as the typical liberal when you can no longer refute the subject you attack the writer. so lame and pitiful. man your defintion of anarchy pretty much describes the ows encampments. you said you dont rely on the internet for your information...shit you get all your info off one website or the other! so I guess from this point on i can disreguard anything you post as most all you post came from some internet website!

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  37. I support government, law enforcement, even religion when it deserves it. and as you so succintly said earlier, " it has yet to be factually determined if Olsen was injured by police actions or actions of the protesters. It is still under investigation"
    I'll retract the heartless because I do not believe that you really are, though at times your comments can come across that way.

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  38. Speaking of drugs, what was Rick Perry on Friday Night in New Hampshire?

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  39. I dont think your heartless either! lol. Idont know as i didnt see or hear what he said. Perry is not the best public speaker. He and many politicans would do well at times keeping their mouth shut, but politicans got where they are by speaking and they all think they have to say someting when often they would have been better off saying nothing.

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  40. Roblos, remedial reading comprehension, I said I will wait until all the facts are in rather than rely on what I read on the internet, referring to Scott Olsen. not

    "you said you dont rely on the internet for your information...shit you get all your info off one website or the other! so I guess from this point on i can disreguard anything you"

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  41. WARNING! WARNING! Roblo58a's post may contain grammatical and spellin errors. If you are offended by these please do not read Roblos58a's posts. This warning will not be repeated, so be fore warned!

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  42. ...shit you get all your info off one website or the other! so I guess from this point on i can disreguard anything you"
    quaint, I've probably read more books in the past two years than you've read in a lifetime. If you'll give me a day or so, I'll give you a reading list.

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  43. If you wont rely on the internet...how will you know if he improves? Well I'll go ahead and inform you...he is no longer in critical condition. So now as I just told you what you need to know you dont need the net. lol I'll tell you what you need to know!

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  44. 9:19 LOL! i like that. most likely the only post you've written I like!

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  45. hehehe, Yes, I know he has improved. I keep up with the news. and I never said I don't rely on the internet, you are taking that out of context, but that's ok, typical trick used by reactionaries, breitbart is a master at it.

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  46. So Roblo, have you settled in on a Republican Nominee? I see Gingrich was campaigning in Norway today. lol

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  47. I sure hope Herman has his high waders on cause he has sure stepped in it.

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  48. Which Mitt will we get? Which Mitt will we get?

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  49. When it comes to flip flopping, he is in a league of his own.

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  50. nope in ways i like most all of them.

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  51. The Tea Party Pork Binge
    Oct 30, 2011 10:00 AM EDT
    They brought the nation to the brink of default over spending, but a Newsweek investigation shows Tea Party lawmakers grabbing billions from the government trough.

    The Dirty Dozen:

    House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, who led the GOP’s debt reduction efforts this summer and bashed stimulus spending, sought money for the stimulus in private letters for projects like high-speed rail.


    Freshman Rep. Allen West, R-Fla., a darling of the Tea Party and a has frequently bashed of federal spending on TV, has already written four letters seeking tax dollars for pet projects in his district in his first 10 months on the job.


    Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, the presidential candidate and libertarian champion, is relentless in calling for the shrinking of government spending while seeking tax dollars for his district from some of the very programs he criticizes.


    Texas Gov. Rick Perry, whose presidential campaign is focused on shrinking the size and burden of government, wrote a letter accepting more than $2 billion from the stimulus for his state.


    Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., the founder of the Tea Party caucus in Congress and now a presidential contender, sought stimulus money for transportation projects in her distict while criticizing the stimulus as wasteful.


    Sen. Mike Enzi, R-Wyo, who has panned the stimulus as “bailout baloney,” wrote six letters seeking funding for a carbon capture and smart grid projects in his state funded by Obama’s clean energy program. Enzi’s son is working as a consultant on a part of the related project that benefitted from government money.


    House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton sought a loan guarantee for a Russian-backed Michigan company from the same program he is investigating as part of the Solyndra scandal.


    House Speaker John Boehner has derided President Obama’s clean energy agenda while pressuring the administration for a clean energy loan guarantee for a uranium project in his home state of Ohio, among other requests for special treatment for specific companies.


    House Reform and Government Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa has questioned the need for the Energy Department’s clean energy efforts while seeking a loan from the program for a home-state electric car company.


    House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy has fashioned the GOP’s assault on Obama spending policies like the stimulus program while writing two letters seeking stimulus money for pet projects in his home state.


    Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the 2008 presidential candidate who made patrolling for pork a political pastime, wrote a letter in 2009 offering “condition support” for stimulus money for a sky train project at the Phoenix airport.


    Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, an outspoken critic of the stimulus and a champion of fiscal discipline, wrote letters seeking stimulus money and took credit with his constituents.

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  52. see youve been getting your WH talkin points!

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  53. Well let's see, there is the Cultist Wing of the Republican Party, Romney and Huntsman, and the Moron Wing, Perry and the SBC. Would you say you gravitate toward one wing or the other or do you fall somewhere in between a cultist and a moron? (and these are not my descriptive words)

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  54. once the dems passed the stimulus why not get your share? liberals of all people should know that principles only go so far.

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  55. Romney reminds me of a Grouch Marx quote:

    "Now those are principles,and if you don't like them, well I have others."

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  56. and Perry could start his speeches with:

    "Before I speak, I have something important to say."

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  57. Herman Cain: "I'm not real fond of reality, but it's still the only place to get a good meal."

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  58. So i guess your calling Morman's cultist? I dont pick my canidate by what church they may or may not belong to. By using those words in your discription you own the words and what they stand for. I dont really like Huntsman, or Paul and not a big fan of Perry...but sans Paul any would be a vast improvement over who resides in the WH now. I have no problem with Cain or Gingrich. Heck with the weather in NE I might go to Norway!

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  59. Newt Gingrich: "Behind ever successful man is a woman, behind her is his wife."

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  60. I'll put Cain's accomplishments over BO's anyday. Heck even now most all BO has done is continue Bush's policies!

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  61. ok, but you'll have to show me the long form.

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  62. "Behind ever successful man is a woman, behind her is his wife." is a Groucho Marx quote. Putting that in quotations behind Gingrich's name is very misleading if not an outright lie.
    And I would like to see a link or proof of the quote you have attributed to Cain. Not saying I dont believe you just sayin.

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  63. No, I am not calling them cultists, one of the leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention and a Perry backer did. I know you are familiar with the story. and then Huntsman called DR Robert Jeffress of the SBC a Moron. It was so heart warming.

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  64. They are all Groucho Marx quotes

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  65. In BO's case it would be a short form.

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  66. each one describes a specific candidate.

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  67. Yea kinda like Jesse Jackson saying he wanted to cut Obama's n*ts off.

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  68. "I dont really like Huntsman, or Paul"

    "nope in ways i like most all of them"

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  69. on that note ♪♫♪♫♫♪♪

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  70. Good evening, folks!

    Bob, check your email.

    And, you may be right re Cain. There is only one pol for whom sexual predation didn't appear to matter to polls or press: Willard "Kiss It!" Clinton, he of Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broadrick (sp?)fame, among others.

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  71. Herman Cain:
    Graduated from Morehouse College in 1967 with a Bachelor of Science degree in mathematics. Masters Degree from Purdue, worked for the Dept of the Navy as a ballistics analyst, Coca-Cola as a computer analyst, Pillsbury as Dir of business analysis. 1980’s managed 400 Burger King Restaurants in the Philadelphia area.1986 CEO Godfather’s Pizza. 1989-1991 Chairman of the Reserves Omaha Branch board. 1996 CEO of the National Restaurant Assoc.. 1992 board of directors Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, deputy chairman Jan 1-Dec 31 1994 and chairman Jan 1 1994-Aug 19 1996. Cain was on the board of directors of Aquila, Inc. from 1992 to 2008, and also served as a board member for Nabisco, Whirlpool, Reader's Digest, and AGCO, Inc.
    Cain received the 1996 Horatio Alger Award[23] and has received honorary degrees from Creighton University, Johnson & Wales University, Morehouse College, University of Nebraska, New York City Technical College, Purdue University, Suffolk University, and Tougaloo College

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  72. Bob the key word is "most", I said most all, not all all.

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  74. The Federal Reserve? Now there's an institution that is very popular amongst conservatives, lol. Ask Ron Paul, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann,

    I agree the Herman Cain story is one to be admired on a superficial level and the Horatio Alger award is well deserved.

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  75. But Uzbeki-beki-beki-stan-stan? An "electrified fence"? Have a joke and a smoke. Yea right.

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