OT, I set up this blog page for my response to you in order to avoid space limitations.
I would say that Word Watch candidate "You just don't get it" should be augmented by "You don't get all of it."
I do not dispute the history you recite. It is correct, and that is to our shame. But, to respond to your question "What personal harm have Walter Marshall and Louis Farrakhan brought to you and
yours?", manipulation and pandering on the part of Marshall et al bring harm to all, and Farrakhan's bile is simply poisonous, made more so by the supine response to that poison by folks of your mindset. What you and your friends who laugh at my "whining" refuse to see is that pols like him and mouths like Jackson and Sharpton encourage and thrive on the marginalization pointed out by Arthur.
Have I been personally affected by the above worthies? No, not physically, as the Klan and Aryan nation have indeed affected blacks, understood. But, what about the studied refusal to address to dysfunction? That does affect me indirectly, and you as well, but, much worse, it adversely affects the very people for whom those luminaries claim to advocate.
Let's take a look at your friend Commissioner Marshall and his complaints about the alleged inequity of application of discipline in local schools. My response to his pandering draws sneers from you, but far far worse, his remarks have drawn a substantive response from the supremely spineless (to name one of its numerous failings) school administration. There is now indeed a discipline inequity in schools, which affects the quality of instruction. One disruptive child can now impede the education of 19 other classmates.
"Case in point," to coin a phrase: last year Susan had a kid in her class who was out of control. Over time, he pushed a kid away from a urinal, kicked two girls in their crotches, killed a class pet turtle, threw pencils at classmates, consistently refused to sit down, and consistently refused to do classwork or homework. He threw away notes to his mother, not that they would have had much effect. Susan and school officials had meetings with the kid's mom, that is when she would keep the appointments. Her response was that it was just rough-housing and that the school administration and Susan just had it in for her son.
This child took to bullying a much smaller child. Susan dutifully filled out bad conduct reports, asked that the bully be moved. Nope, couldn't do it; the bully had rights. She asked that he be transferred back to the district whence he came. Nope, can't do that, either. The parents of the bullied child asked Susan what they could die. Susan replied that her hands were tied, suggested they complain to the central office. The central office decreed that the bullied kid be transferred to another school.
So, the bullied kid and his parents were inconvenienced, while the troublemaker and his complacent mother were not. What about the bullied kid's rights, or the rights of the other kids in the class, or the frustrated teacher? The bullied kid, by the way, is also black. Susan's class was half black, half Latino, nary a white kid there (the cynical segregation of our schools is indeed an issue, but not for this commentary, btw). Thank you, Commissioner Marshall, the products of this sad case of discipline will one day hit the job market. That, OT, does affect both you and me indirectly.
(This child bullied another child, also black and much smaller, who finally took matters into his own hands and attacked the bully. It took Susan and an teacher's aide both to pull the furious kid off the bully, who had received a commendably comprehensive buttkicking from his classmate).
Mind you, some discipline was applied, and the troublesome child received several suspensions, to the relief of Susan and the other pupils.
The story continues and provides a cautionary tale re this self-marginalization. As the year progressed, Susan and the school worked with the troublesome kid, drawing accusations of racism from the indignant mother. Yes, my fiancee', the grandmother of a biracial girl whom she loves, was called racist. But, she and the (black) school psychologist arranged testing, and as they suspected, the kid has ADHD. They reported this to the mom. Nope, this is racist, nothing wrong with my child; you people just don't like him (damn right they didn't, but that was irrelevant). The school psychologist commented to Susan that times had changed, so that parents notified of their children's shortcomings no longer address their kids, but excoriate the teachers.
Finally, the mom paid for her own tests. Guess what: kid ended up on medication, and his behavior changed remarkably for the better. So, all that blame and accusation was wrong and wasted, and the slackassed mom, prompted in part by institutionalized self-marginalization, wasted a full school year of her son's life. Who are the real victimizers in this sorry story?
Before you reply that this is a single anecdote, this pattern regarding discipline and parental response is endemic at least to that school, and I suspect over a much wider area.
The cautionary part of the tale is that while the r-word "racism" is bandied about, pols and mouths like Marshall ignore another r-word: "responsibility." I castigated Minister Farrakhan earlier, but for all the toxins he spews, he understands that word, and expects a standard of behavior from his flock. When I hear Marshall (whom I use as a personification of a larger whole) exhort parents to take responsibility for their kids, and his constituents to behave and to obey the law, I'll listen more closely to what he has to say.
I would really like to know what people like Obama, Powell, Rice, Holder, AmEx's chairman Chennault, and others have to say about Marshall's cultural norms.
Again, I do not dispute your history. As for the collective consciousness that years of oppression and marginalization have created, yes, I, as you say, get it. I understand some responses to that history, such as affirmative action, of which I generally approve. But, I also understand a question that both evoke: when does it end? That in turn evokes another comment: to use another Word Watch candidate, "Get over it." OK, not done at the snap of fingers, but the process must be encouraged. Panderers like Marshall on one side and their right-wing counterparts are not part of that ongoing solution; they are part of the problem.
I recall seeing a movie years ago where an African politician addresses a bigoted South African mercenary who pointed out the shortcomings of African nations. The actor lined, "We must forgive you the past; you must forgive us the present, so that we can work on the future together." If the character in the movie were a real pol, he would be a statesman, a commodity in short supply today. Interestingly, the scriptwriters turned Hardy Kruger's mercenary into a bit of one in his own right: he listened, quit calling the African "kaifa," started calling him "Man."
I won't post a lengthy reply, only to say I disagree strongly with your calling Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton racists. I've met Rev. Jackson, and he was very warm and engaging. Not so Rev. Al, but I watch his show regularly, and I've never seen any anti-white sentiment as such.
ReplyDeleteThey both point out injustices in our society, but that doesn't make them racist by any means. Farrakhan is a racist anti-semite, but he's also a pretty marginal figure. I have friends who work on Capitol Hill...they say Shelia Jackson-Lee is a bitch, but a racist? No.
Again, pointing out that racism does still exist on the right (and how could you deny that after participating on the anonymous JournalNow website?), and pointing out that injustices still exist in our society does not make one a bigot.
Of course you won't agree that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are racists. You're a true-blue liberal.
DeleteBoth Sharpton and Jackson are race chasers. They look to inflame racial relations by inferring that every incident involving a black and a white person has some type of racial element in it. That's what makes them racists.
Do yourself a favor and read he entire story about Tawana Brawley and the tell me Sharpton is not a hateful racist.
'The exact definition of racism is controversial both because there is little scholarly agreement about the meaning of the concept "race", and because there is also little agreement about what does and doesn't constitute discrimination.'
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As such, Stab is correct. Both Sharpton and Jackson are racist in his view based on their well known past and current race based behavior.
I have not suggested that pointing out right-wing racism and injustices constitute racism, and if you read my commentary you will note I acknowledge that racism is found in a variety of quarters.
ReplyDeleteAll right, as for the revs Jackson and Sharpton, if I said racist, I retract that, replace it with "panderer." I am sure that both men are personally warm and friendly (I hav read that Rev Al has visited hospitalized children of several races). So, I am told, is Bill Clinton, whom I hold in low esteem, so warm and friendly is a credit to them, but goes only so far.
Jackson is a shakedown artist, liar, and tax cheat. Sharpton suborned perjury (Twana Brawley), is a tax evader and deadbeat. Both men cast lots of blame while asking for no responsibility on the part of those for whom they advocate, as noted in my commentary. You may not consider that pandering as racist, I'll accept that, but the two revs are not part of the solution.
Yes, Farrakhan is marginal, but his acidic remarks do get air time with no reproving response from allegedly more credible leaders. And again, he has some standards for behavior that in some instances would be well emulated.
As for Jackson-Lee, I'll take that, and add idiot as well. And yes, I understand that there are white right-wing bitches, bastards, and idiots holding office as well.
If white people were running around doing the kinds of things that Sharpton, Jackson, and Farrakhan are doing, there would be riots in the streets.
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By the way Stab, if it didn't affect the rest of the country so much, it'd be funny how California is collapsing because of its 'union' based economy.
DeleteAre there any civil rights activists you don't think are racists or scoundrels? That's not a rhetorical question...I'm genuinely curious.
DeleteI don't consider Jackson and Sharpton civil rights activists. They are hustlers.
DeleteTo answer your question, many non-scoundrel activists are deceased. Living ones who come quickly to mind are John Lewis, James Meredith, Julian Bond, Andrew Young, Joseph Lowery. Mind you, I may not agree with their politics, but I do not consider them racists or scoundrels.
Arthur, you did not respond to my citing the two reverends' sterling qualities.
DeleteThey're not perfect, but they've done good work too. It's kind of a mystery to me why you get so worked up about the bad stuff. Did Jackson's tax problems affect you personally? Sharpton in the Brawley affair? Hmmm?
DeleteAha! Maybe they were union members!
DeleteNot likely, that would have involved paying dues. Those two are into being paid.
DeleteI will give Al credit where it's due. He went to Africa to address the slave trade there, so on that score I will return the title civil rights activist. He has a trail of less laudable activities. Remember Crown Heights? No, that didn't affect me, but someone died, so someone was affected.
Twana Brawley? Does nothing that like minded people do not offend you? You give credence to an unrepentant lawbreaker.
Jackson: I pay my taxes. Why shouldn't he and Al? Jesse's corporate shakedowns cost money.
I abandoned the R party because of too many feet of clay, and too many wrongheaded people. You might look for better icons, yourself.
You pay your taxes...why shouldn't Mitt? Don't get quite so indignant over that, do you?
DeleteNor when any of the old commenters on JournalNow said anything about "unproductive neighborhoods" (read East Winston), or comparing Hispanics to rats, or comparing progressives to cancer.
DeleteNohoHouse was quite funny, wasn't he?
I believe Mitt practiced legal tax avoidance. Your heroes evaded taxes. I suspect that Jesse and his Budweiser distributor sons also do that, in addition to Jesse's straight-up tax evasion. Al simply didn't pay taxes. I would think that some are withheld now or reported on 1099 forms.
DeleteYes, noho's insults were funny sometimes. The references to neighborhoods were not. I chided noho from time to time, about one thing or another, also. You are dying to hang to the leftist label of racism on me because I note mountebanks and panderers. Sorry, Arthur, that will not stick. Not marching in lockstep to guilty leftist orthodoxy does not make one a racist. Neither does noting hustlers, panderers, and crooks.
Sorry, I erred above. I meant to say that Jackson and his sons practiced legal tax avoidance, in addition to Jesse's tax evasion. And I suspect that the wealthy Kennedys do, also. And a lot of Dem angels as well.
DeleteA writing tip...don't use $20 words when a $5 word will do.
DeleteA non-answer, and I miss what $20-word I employed. If you refer to tax avoidance and tax evasion, one is legal. Otherwise, I stand to be be informed. And ditch the condescension, Arthur; it isn't selling.
DeleteOh, sorry. Maybe it was "mountebank." I learned that one in HS. It appears to fit your heroes well, except for Al's slavery intervention.
And ditch the Yoda-speak.
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ReplyDelete"The story continues and provides a cautionary tale re this self-marginalization. As the year progressed, Susan and the school worked with the troublesome kid, drawing accusations of racism from the indignant mother. Yes, my fiancee', the grandmother of a biracial girl whom she loves, was called racist. But, she and the (black) school psychologist arranged testing, and as they suspected, the kid has ADHD. They reported this to the mom. Nope, this is racist, nothing wrong with my child; you people just don't like him (damn right they didn't, but that was irrelevant). The school psychologist commented to Susan that times had changed, so that parents notified of their children's shortcomings no longer address their kids, but excoriate the teachers."
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This is a classic tale of how liberals have turned the world upside down.
The Rushes of the world have put a boulder in front of the reality train, and the train is off its tracks.
Those who are often cited as race baiters (Marshall, Jackson, Wright, Sharpton, etc) grew up under segregation on the wrong side of the color divide. There's no way someone could grow up under those circumstances and not form strong opinions and mistrust of those who regarded you as less than human. When those who grew up under segregation had children, naturally all of that anger and mistrust are going to be passed along to the children. This is what fuels the unfortunate circumstances such as what Susan encountered. The boy's mother was probably conditioned to believe the worst of any white person's motives (in addition to the instinctively maternal reaction of "not my child!") even when the motive is of genuine concern. Trying to overcome literally centuries and untold number of generations of mistrust over black / white motivations isn't going to happen just because civil rights acts were passed just 50 years ago.
ReplyDeleteDotnet, the psychologist who also talked with the mom is black.
ReplyDeleteAs far as student performance in tough schools is concerned, if you ask a teacher, be he/she white, black, or otherwise, what the prime problem is, the answer is most frequently, "Parents!"
Again, I understand about the centuries of marginalization and oppression, and the effect on the collective psyche. My contention is that the mouths you and I cite make excuses and cast blame while making excuses and setting low expectations. Setting low expectations has been ascribed to the white power structure, but appears to institutionalized by these so-called leaders and half-fast pols. But the "soft bigotry of low expectations" seems to have transferred to the self-proclaimed advocates.
DeleteYes, there are problems in the schools. I recall the horror story of a friend from church from last school year. She was literally ripped from her school in the middle of the school year and transferred to another school, because she was told her former school was over servicing their Learning Disabled population. At the new school she was told that she just couldn't relate and was therefore unable to teach black children.
ReplyDeleteNear the end of school year when all the other teachers wanted to have endless movie time she insisted on teaching. Saying she felt it was unethical for her to accept a paycheck from the state of NC if she failed to continue to teach children who were already 2-3 grade levels behind. She resigned at the end of the school year, but fortunately was rehired at another school for this year.
There is blame to go around for all races, but there are discipline at all schools and it would be helpful if more parents would support teachers who are trying to teach instead of saying you just don't understand my child because you are pink and he/she is neon orange. The main problem is that many adults do not value education, and they pass this attitude onto their children, and the teachers have little recourse to address the disruptive behavior that prevents all students from learning. I agree with what Whitewall said there other day "finish school, don't get pregnant or cause anyone to get pregnant, don't mess with drugs or with anyone who does. Those things alone will put most people well on the way and can apply to anyone."
In order to finish school you need to respect your teachers and you MUST conform to cultural norms that are reflected in the primarily white ruling class of our community.