Sunday, December 23, 2012

Winston-Salem Journal LTE SU 12/23/12


Hard to understand

I just want to say that I do hope that something is done about gun control. The tragedy in Newtown, Conn., has saddened me so. I don't know any of them personally, but that doesn't matter. How can anyone have a happy Christmas after this?

I can't get it out of my mind. I get so angry every time I see or hear anything that the pro-gun people say. None of their comments make sense. They think guns are for protection, but no human, with the exception of law enforcement and the military, needs an automatic weapon. Maybe a pistol for protection; I understand that. Maybe a gun for hunting; I can even understand that. But as long as there are mentally unstable people out there, and there always will be, unless something is changed, they will find a way to get their hands on a weapon that is capable of killing many innocent people.
Something has to be done. Enough really is enough.
SUSAN SANDIFER
Advance
Moving on
A chilly and rainy Sunday morning, coffee brewed and a little fire crackling in the kitchen woodstove, dogs snoozing at my feet — a perfect time for my Sunday ritual before church. Sunday paper, toast, grits and coffee. Sometimes I cheat and only glance at the front page before racing to the editorial page or the sports front. I read half of Lenox Rawlings’ column (“Time to move on; a new season beckons,” Dec. 16) and heaved a long, sad sigh that scared the dogs.
I’m an uneducated man. College wasn’t much of an option. Graduating from high school is murky. (I didn’t, but they’re proud of me so they say I did.) But I studied hard. Mainly, I studied Lenox Rawlings. His work was quiet, thoughtful, crisply incisive — and always remarkably subtle. I watched him like a hawk. My wife used to stumble into the kitchen, smelling the coffee, to find me dissecting Rawlings’ paragraphs, diagramming his sentence structures. Lenox Rawlings knew what he was doing and I didn’t have an inkling of what was up or down.
We weren’t close, mainly for the sake of my piddling little ego — and Rawlings’ gracious and affable demeanor was so different from my hot-headedness. But he could write. Lord, he could write, so clearly that I forgave him the cardinal sin of golfing.
I’ll echo Rawlings’ praise for helpful editors like Joe Goodman and the indomitably good-natured Terry Oberle.
See what it’s like downstream, Lenox. And tell us what you find.
GUY NEAL WILLIAMS
Winston-Salem
Explaining
On the eve of the recent school shooting in Connecticut I watched and listened to an on-site reporter of one of our corporate-owned television networks as he pondered how the parents of the children who didn't get shot were going to explain the massacre to them.
Don't tell them anything. Secure National Rifle Association memberships for all of those children and let those NRA rascals explain it to them.
KENNETH B. SCALF
Mocksville
Sum It Up
Has 2012 been a good year?


Correspondent of the week: Pursuing deeper solutions




In the wake of the horrific massacre of innocents in Newtown, Conn., our nation must pursue deeper solutions than simply further regulating firearms and ammunition.
Instead of striking a severe blow to the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms, our nation must grapple with the glorification of violence and death in the entertainment industry, the alarming causes and effects of the breakup of families, the negligent or ineffectual treatment of the mentally ill and the culture’s increasing repudiation of spiritual and traditional values.
We must address mental-health and educational-privacy laws that interfere with the treatment and reporting of potentially violent mentally ill individuals. States must diligently submit pertinent mental illness and criminal records to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.
And because criminals do not obey gun laws, we must question the designation of “gun-free” zones — typically schools, shopping malls and theaters — which render innocent, unarmed people as convenient targets for criminals and the mentally deranged with death wishes.
Very importantly, we must ensure that no new gun-control measures will diminish the right of law-abiding citizens to adequately defend themselves in both public and private venues.
Individuals with ravaged hearts and minds wield guns or knives, stones or clubs, improvised explosive devices or suicide vests. Let us not — out of pain or politics — simply slap a “gun control” Band-Aid over our nation’s deeply wounded soul, while rendering even more innocent people defenseless through a knee-jerk assault on the Second Amendment.
DEB PHILLIPS
Lewisville

54 comments:

  1. I'm absolutely for improved public health services, but never mind the fact that Deb was probably cheering Reagan on as he gutted the hell out of mental health funding, and was a big supporter Paul Ryan's budget, which would have done the same.

    People like her are just saying what's expedient for them right now.

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    1. I wish we had Ronald Reagan back. That's when America was a economically growing, and morally sound America.

      Now it's just a decrepit, immoral cesspool of perversion.

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    2. It's a amazing how the transformation occurred so rapidly.

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    3. We do have a lot of lowlifes posting filth on the internet, so there's that.

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    4. Bucky, "decrepit, immoral cesspool of perversion." Speak for yourself.

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    5. "Let me warn you and let me warn the Nation against the smooth evasion which says, "Of course we believe all these things; we believe in social security; we believe in work for the unemployed; we believe in saving homes. Cross our hearts and hope to die, we believe in all these things; but we do not like the way the present Administration is doing them. Just turn them over to us. We will do all of them- we will do more of them we will do them better; and, most important of all, the doing of them will not cost anybody anything."

      -- Franklin Delano Roosevelt

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    6. Yep the Reagan years were rife with that old time morality.

      A few members of Reagan's morality team:

      1. James Watt - Secretary of the Interior - 41 felony counts - 5 years and 500 hours of community service
      2. Edwin Meese - Attorney General - Wedtech, Iran-Contra - forced to resign
      3. E. Bob Wallace - Meese's wing man - Wedtech - 6 years, $250,000 fine
      4. Lynn Nofziger - special assistant - influence peddling
      5. Michael Deaver - deputy chief of staff - perjury - 3 years probation, $100,000 fine, 1,500 hours public service
      6. Casper Weinberger - Secretary of Defense - indicted by a federal grand jury - pardoned
      7. Raymond Donovan - Secretary of Labor - indicted for defrauding the NY City Transit Authority of $7.4 million
      8. Elliot Abrams - State Department - Iran-Contra - 2 years probation, 100 hours community service
      9. Robert McFarlane - National Security Adviser - Iran-Contra - 2 years probation, fined $20,000, attempted suicide
      10. Oliver North - convicted of falsifying and destroying documents
      11. John Poindexter - National Security Adviser - guilty on 5 counts of conspiracy, lying, obstruction, etc
      12. Richard Secord - military aide - 15 indictments - pled guilty lying to Congress - 2 years probation
      13. Alan Fiers - CIA - 1 year probation, 100 hours of community service
      14. Anne Burford (Gorsuch) - EPA - financial misconduct - forced to resign
      15. Rita Lavelle - EPA - lying to Congress - 3 months, $10,000 fine, 5 years probation. Later, in private business, convicted of wire fraud and lying to the FBI - 15 months in federal prison

      There are many, many more...

      Gotta admit that the forum fool is doing his job by entertaining us with his fantasy life and fantasy history.

      Think I'll ramble over to ChickenLittle Mountain today and see if I can spot him.

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    7. "Now it's just a decrepit, immoral cesspool of perversion."

      Bucky
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      That WAS one of my better ones.

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    8. If we are going to start a list of people with mental illnesses who aren't allowed to purchase guns, Bucky should be number one on the list and Wayne LaPierre should be number two.

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    9. You and Rush would be at the top of my list not to have them.

      Both of you probably wouldn't know which end to point where. Logic and deductive reasoning are foreign language words to both of you.

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    10. Gun enthusiasts pack shows to buy assault weapons

      http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/22/us-usa-gun-shows-idUSBRE8BL0DP20121222
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      They'll be millions of them on the street before a law ever passes.

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    11. 'Meet the Press' David Gregory breaks gun law on National TV.

      Hee Hee....you gotta love these liberals. They're always doing something boneheaded.

      http://thepatriotperspective.wordpress.com/2012/12/23/david-gregory-violates-dc-gun-law-on-national-tv/

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  2. Thanks Deb Phillips. It's refreshing to hear someone express a comprehensive view-point of violence in America. Many of us are tired of the shallow, ignorant perspective of the liberal left that always seem too eager to blame the instrument of crimes and not the person(s). We have to start using rational thinking and not raw emotions with during these events.

    One only has to take a look back just a few short years ago when the 'assault weapons' ban was in effect to realize that many laws don't achieve their intented goals.

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    1. The robbery and pursuit

      At 3:40 p.m. on May 9, 1980, four robbers stormed into the bank and forced the tellers to hand over $20,000 in cash, while the fifth robber kept watch outside. Unknown to the robbers, an employee at a different bank across the street spotted them entering the bank and called the police.

      Riverside County Sheriff's Deputy Glyn Bolasky was the first officer to arrive at the scene. As he pulled up, one of the robbers left outside with their getaway van radioed his partners inside the bank and said "We've been spotted! Let's go! Let's go!" The robbers then exited the bank and began to fire on Deputy Bolasky's police cruiser, blowing out the windshield and forcing Bolasky to throw the vehicle in reverse. Bolasky's cruiser crashed into another car in the street. Taking cover behind his vehicle, Bolasky returned fire at the gunmen. The gunmen got into the van and once all five men were inside, they attempted to flee the scene, continuing to shoot at Bolasky. As the van sped away, a pellet from Bolasky's shotgun struck the driver, Belisaro Delgado, in the back of the head, killing him and sending the van crashing into a telephone pole guy-wire. The four remaining robbers then exited the vehicle and fired over 200 rounds at Bolasky, putting 47 bullet holes in his cruiser. Bolasky was hit five times; in the face, upper left shoulder, both forearms and the left elbow.

      By this time, Deputies Charles Hille and Andy Delgado (no relation to Belisaro Delgado) had arrived at the scene. While Delgado engaged the robbers with gunfire, Hille managed to evacuate Bolasky in his cruiser and transport him to a nearby hospital. The robbers continued to fire at other officers arriving at the scene, and attempted to escape again by commandeering a truck stopped at the intersection in front of the bank. As the four led a police pursuit, they shot at the pursuing officers and threw homemade bombs out the back of the truck. Overall, they damaged 33 police vehicles, including a police helicopter, forcing it to land.

      The suspects pulled far ahead of the pursuing police officers and stopped to ambush them as they caught up. Officer James Evans, one of the first police units to come under attack during the ambush, was shot in the head and killed. The police, armed with only .38-caliber revolvers and 12-gauge shotguns, were out-gunned. They were, however, soon joined by San Bernardino County Sheriff's Deputy D. J. McCarty, who brought an AR-15 to the shootout. Shortly after he engaged the robbers with his rifle, they stopped shooting and fled the scene, running into the wooded area of Lytle Creek, San Bernardino. "There would have been a lot more dead cops on the road if not for that weapon," said Riverside County Sheriff's Deputy Rolf Parkes. "After their capture, the suspects stated their intent was to fight to the death."
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      Of course, political correctness and liberal police administrators entered the picture, and they refused to allow police officers in some jurisdictions to carry those weapons in the years that followed. Why? Because police no longer supposedly 'needed' the weapons.

      Several more shootings occurred, one in which a police officer had to borrow an AR15 from a local gun store to quell the shooting. How disgusting is that?

      People are absolutely right, we don't need AR15s. But will we? The government can't anticipate what is going to happen in the future. If they could many of our Wars and natural disasters would have been dealt with more effectively.

      Don't you agree?


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    2. No. The NRA and Bucky claim it's all about freedom, but want armed police at every citizen venue. Because a ubiquitous militaristic presence has no chilling effect on a civil society or one's feeling of liberty. Merry Christmas to all and to each and everyone a gun on every street corner. Guns, guns everywhere. Shoot'em up bang'em up peace will will be upon us when everyone is packing.

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    3. Having spent a lot of time in 3rd World countries, many of which have a heavily armed soldier on every corner, I can testify that the effect on civil society goes beyond chilling to just plain terrifying.

      Most of the soldiers are just as afraid of the citizens as the citizens are of them, so they often make terrible mistakes. Once a bullet is on the way, it cannot be recalled. And once a citizen is dead, they cannot be revived, no matter what the New Testament says.

      Our airports have already gone 3rd World...schools are next...then what? All because the land of the free is no longer free and the home of the brave has been taken over by a bunch of quivering cowards.

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    4. The only third world like place you've spent any time in is your grungy loft in downtown Winston Salem.

      I'll bet your building has pee marks all over it.

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  3. "How can anyone have a happy Christmas after this?" That is always the challenge of faith. In the face of evil the thing that is Christmas remains- whether today, during world war, in the midst of natural disaster or even during pandemic sickness.

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    1. Even during war...yes. In 1914 over 100,000 German, British and French infantrymen declared their own Christmas truce and met in no man's land to exchange gifts, sing carols and even play a little football.

      This reoccurred in 1915, although involving fewer men.

      After that, the big boys stepped in and forbade such fraternization. Can't have the troops getting to know each other...they might refuse to fight, or even turn on the warmongers.

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    2. I had read that somewhere over the years. Powerful thing that "Christmas".

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    3. Indeed...some of my "non-theist" friends and I will be attending a Moravian Christmas eve love feast tomorrow night...you don't have to be a believer to appreciate the beauty and simplicity of that service, or the Easter sunrise service either.

      Besides, we will have a great time beforehand arguing about which church to attend. Some will argue for the architecture or authenticity of this church or that; others will argue for who has the best coffee and Moravian buns; I will stubbornly advocate for one of the few who still read the Christmas story from King James, because it is jarring to have the minister reading in one language while the story is unreeling in another language in my mind. In the end, the decision will be last minute and we will barely make it.

      Afterward, we will go out for drinks with a renewed, if only briefly, appreciation for civilization.

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    4. When I go to an Episcopalian mass, I prefer rite I. Incense is good too. Sometimes the old ways are best.

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  4. Has 2012 been a good year? From my vantage point it was an awful year. A week ago the Journal question was something like "What would you like for Christmas". I replied- a pleasant, enjoyable event. Yesterday was that event. I (we) thoroughly enjoyed the occasion. The people we met in attendence were the icing on the cake.

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    1. Very well stated. Merry Christmas Mr. and Mrs. Whitewall. Yesterday was indeed a very blessed day and wonderful celebration of love, Christmas, family and friends.

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    2. Thanks Wordly and all the same to you and yours.

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  5. It's a shame Phargo's funnies aren't up today. I have a worthy contribution.

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    1. Well just put it here.

      That Christmas angel thing was great...I have sent it to dozens of people all over the world and have had many delighted replies. The Germans, perhaps the biggest Christmas celebrators, really loved it.

      I grew up in the Moravian church...Moravians put a small Moravian star on top of their trees. Despite having seen the stars all their lives, many people, even Moravians, do not know that the star represents Jesus, "the light of the world".

      That is why the big feature of the Moravian Christmas love feast is the child's solo voice singing "Morning Star". I sang the solo at my church for two years until my voice changed. You probably wouldn't have wanted to be there.

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    2. I sang this year at the King Moravian Christmas service. Their choirmaster is a very talented man, and always puts on a great program. He also does a wonderful Great Sabbath service at Home.

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    3. I used to sing some, even briefly in a choir. I've always had a good baritone ability until I had a light stroke in my throat 13 years ago. Now the baritone is there but I get winded easily from the weakened muscles needed to maintain a note.

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    4. I sang over at Chick-fil-A just a few moments ago. I sang my favorite song: Honky Time

      Can you take me to, 'Honky Time'!?

      Yeaaaaaaah! Yeaaaaaah! Yea!

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  6. A Baptist pastor was presenting a children's sermon. During the sermon, he asked the children if they knew what the resurrection was. Now, asking questions during children's sermons is crucial, but at the same time, asking children questions in front of a congregation can also be very dangerous.



    Having asked the children if they knew the meaning of the resurrection, a little boy raised his hand. The pastor called on him and the little boy said, "I know that if you have a resurrection that lasts more than four hours you are supposed to call the doctor."



    It took over ten minutes for the congregation to settle down enough from their laughter for the worship service to be continued.

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    1. and the people say amen.

      Brings back memories of when I wanted to crawl under church pew. My daughter was four and during the children's sermon she asked the minister if he watched Superman (the adult version that used to be on ABC on Sunday night). Being a seasoned pastor he just redirected the sermon with I'm not talking about that kind of Superman right now. But I really did want to crawl under the pew. What kind of parent would let a 4 year old watch Superman? She also liked her "Bart" cartoon. I tried valiantly to stop that one, but husband was not a helpful as I thought he should have been.

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    2. Ha! Husbands need to be spoken to sternly...so I am told.

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    3. Very funny, ww!!! I'll be posting this on my fb page for the benefit of my b-o-l who is a pastor.

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    4. LaSombra, help yourself. Excuse my ignorance, but what is a bol?

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    5. a bit of humor, though. I hadn't realized I used "bol"; that means "brother-outlaw"

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    6. Ahh, got it. I'm not up on all the abbreviations. I have a brother I call my LHB...lump head brother.

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  7. Hark the herald 'dummies' sing, glory to our new born King(Obama)!

    It's enough to make me not like Christmas.



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  8. "They think guns are for protection, but no human, with the exception of law enforcement and the military, needs an automatic weapon."

    Susan Sanifer
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    Automatic weapons have been illegal since around 1934, save a few exceptions.

    What the assault weapons ban deals with are semi-automatic weapons, NOT automatic weapons. Ms. Sanifer is a classic, know nothing liberal. She doesn't even know what she's talking about, yet she wants to decide what things are made illegal and what are not.

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    1. Jeez, now the forum fool is parroting me...see yesterdays discussion.

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  9. "If it's crazy to call for armed officers in our schools to protect our children, then call me crazy," the head of the powerful gun lobby said today on NBC's "Meet the Press."

    Wayne LaPierre, NRA
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    He comes up with a good idea, and instead of embracing it, Democrats and liberal scoff at him.

    It's yet another example of how liberals never listen.

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    1. Other steps beside gun control can be immediately implemented to safeguard children in schools. WS/FC to begin extra security soon.

      But don't tell liberals that. They enjoy having their heads of up their Clintons.

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  10. Assault weapons a huge threat to public safety?

    Actually more people died from 5 gallon buckets last year than assualt rifles.

    Cause of injury Emergency room incidents annually
    Baseball/softball 404,364
    Dog bites 333,687
    Playground accidents 268,810
    All-terrain vehicles, mopeds, etc. 125,136
    Volleyball 97,523
    Inline skating 75,994
    Horseback riding 71,162
    Baby walkers 28,000
    Skateboards 25,486

    Number of deaths for leading causes of death:

    Heart disease: 696,947
    Cancer: 557,271
    Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 162,672
    Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 124,816
    Accidents (unintentional injuries): 106,742
    Diabetes: 73,249
    Influenza/Pneumonia: 65,681
    Alzheimer's disease: 58,866
    Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 40,974
    Septicemia: 33,865

    Only a tiny fraction of deaths from injuries involved firearms. Assault weapons are statistically less dangerous than bathtubs, buckets, cars and thousands of other items you find in a home every day.
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    You can't tell that to the NWs of the world. Right, Rush?

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    1. ROTFCWLMAO!!!

      Without question, the most ridiculous post in the history of this forum.

      First we get a completely absurd statement, unsupported by any evidence, about 5 gallon buckets.

      Then we get an irrelevant list of leading causes of injuries, followed by a list of mostly natural causes of death, neither of which is attributed.

      Then we get an incoherent two sentence paragraph that is meaningless.

      The forum fool is working overtime today...

      Maybe today's faux chicken sandwich had some bad boogers in it...dance fool dance...

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    3. Your comments made precisely my final point. Thanks for helping out Rush.

      Hee Hee....that's what I like about liberals, you don't have to say much, and then they'll go ahead and make a jackass out of themselves for you

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    4. I think the fool has latched onto some loco weed...

      You're not in Colorado or Washington, Chicken Lickin'...

      Sheriff Schatzman is on the way with his wa-wa on...

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    5. Schatzman stays in the 'bag' too much to be concerned with me.

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  11. Infamous Tawana Brawley surfaces in Hopewell, Va:

    Hopewell — where Brawley has lived for at least a year, according to a neighbor — has the highest rate of violent crime per capita of any city or town in Virginia, local cops say. Plagued by drugs and guns, it had five murders in the last three weeks. Jittery residents call police at even the slightest suspicion.

    “You break wind here and they call us,” one veteran officer said.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/brawley_defiant_life_in_hiding_E9DV7S9hJAvGW6qmrISeaL
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    She still owes $190,000 to a white attorney who she accused of raping her many years ago.


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  12. Earlier today, the forum fool posted this delightful bit of nonsense:

    Bucky December 23, 2012 9:24 AM

    I wish we had Ronald Reagan back. That's when America was a economically growing, and morally sound America.


    It fascinates me that anyone could have such foolish ideas that somehow there was an earlier period when human beings were more "moral" than they are today. If morals are in decline, and they were better during the Reagan administration, does it follow that they were even better under Nixon, and better yet under, say, Andy Jackson or Millard Fillmore, back when we had slavery for blacks, women and children, not to mention poor white men? You bet.

    We already dealt with the "moral" superiority of the Reagan administration in an earlier post. Historians and political scientists love to disagree about almost anything, but about 97% of legitimate professionals agree on one thing, that the four most corrupt presidential administrations in US history have been those of Grant, Harding, Nixon and Reagan, all Republicans. They do disagree on which one of those were the worst. I'll take Harding, but you might like Grant or Nixon better.

    As to the other assertion, that "America was a economically growing" [sic], well, that is just laughable. The eight Reagan years were barely mediocre as compared to other presidential administrations since World War II. But the fools will always believe what they want to believe…anything but the truth.

    So we have prepared a little chart that reveals the truth. Instead of relying upon crackpot websites and talking heads and FoxLies®, we have used actual government statistics from the Treasury Department and the Congressional Budget Office. We are aware that that will cut no ice with the fool contingent. They "know" that statistics lie. Proof? Remember all those polls that showed that the President was winning a second term right from the start of the 2012 election run? They were wrong, weren't they?

    I suppose that we should feel sorry for those who live in a permanent state of ignorance. But I don't.

    Percentage GDP Increase By Presidential Administration, 1952-2011

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