Sunday, December 30, 2012

Winston-Salem Journal LTE SU 12/30/12


Gun restrictions

I have a challenge for the Winston-Salem City Council members who want to keep guns out of city parks.

Name one shooting that happened in a park where people with gun permits were allowed to carry guns. Name one college or k-12 school that has had a shooting on campus that was not designated a “gun free” campus. Name one shooting that was carried out by a person that had a legal gun-carry permit that was not used in self-defense of that person or others in the area. Name one shooter who was not mentally unstable or was not taking mind-altering drugs such as Ritalin when the shooting took place.
Simply put: Restrictions on where guns can be carried has created more problems than the restrictions solved.
B. FRANK EVERHART
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Gun logic
So, we need armed guards as well as armed teachers in our schools. More people need to carry concealed firearms. Or so say the people who claim that if more people were armed then they could shoot people who are armed before they shoot people thereby reducing the number of people who are shot. And this passes for logic?
As tragic as the recent school shooting in Newtown, Conn., was, it pales in comparison to the daily average of about 85 shooting deaths in the U.S. that armed school personnel could do nothing about.
I don’t think the possibility of confronting armed opposition would be much of a deterrent to people who are bent on destruction and death including their own. (Who has heard the phrase “suicide by cop”?)
Comprehensive gun control would not stop all violence, but it would be a huge step in reducing it. For those who seem to think that our Constitution consists solely of the Second Amendment and then ask me if I support our Constitution, I can only respond by saying, “absolutely, including Article V, which allows for the modifying of our Constitution if conditions warrant.” After all, the 21st Amendment repealed the 18th.
PAUL D. WHITSON
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Resorting to violence
I must confess that I am confused now as to the criteria for determining the “Correspondent of the Week.” Apparently it is not necessarily content that matters, but how linguistically well-crafted the premise, however inadequate and misleading. The Dec. 23 letter “Pursuing deeper solutions” ought to have been titled, “Pursuing any solution other than limiting the ‘right’ to own weapons of mass destruction.”
Certainly it is high time we addressed the disgraceful shortage of compassionate and capable care for the mentally ill. And yes, there is a great deal of violence to be found in films and video games. However, when it comes to “spiritual and traditional values,” this phrase is often just a euphemism for prejudice. We live in a multi-cultural society where others may or may not share our spiritual beliefs or practice our traditions, but that doesn’t mean they are more likely than we are to resort to violence.
So, while some of the letter writer’s points have merit, the best way to ensure that a deranged young man cannot easily get his hands on guns capable of mowing down 20 children in a matter of seconds is to make it much harder for him or anyone else to do so. The Founding Fathers couldn’t have imagined their words being used to defend the “right” to own semi-automatic weapons.
Do we really want to live in a nation where it’s necessary for us all, even first-grade teachers, to be armed to the teeth?
TERRI KIRBY ERICKSON
Lewisville
Sum It Up
Do you think North Carolina is positioned well for success in 2013?

Correspondent of the week: Protecting our children


I wish to submit a thought about how to protect our children at the schools. I think the following would have to be accomplished in stages.
As I understand it: At the Newtown, Conn., school, the intercommunication system alerted others of danger. Hiring only one officer to protect the school is only one step, for he could not be everywhere. However, he could be alerted to someone breaking into the school. At this point, the settings of the intercom would alert the entire school that there has been a break-in.
The next step should be taught to the entire school. Everyone in the classrooms would automatically go to the clothes closet. If schools are built like they were when I went to school, the clothes closet has two entrances. All the students would go there and close and lock themselves in. The doors to the closet should be bullet-resistant.
All of the students and their teachers would be protected. That should be rehearsed weekly, then monthly until the students knew exactly what to do.
It is sickening to think that we need teach our children how to protect themselves in the classrooms.
Furthermore, the news media need to stress to people when they are at the movies, or anywhere that a shooting is taking place, to fall to the floor. People should not be turning around to see what is happening. Instead, they should get down.
CATHERINE W. PITTS
Winston-Salem

43 comments:

  1. Mr. Everhart, have you ever noticed that many liberals don't believe in heaven, but yet they think they can create heaven on earth? Well I have.

    There are millions upon millions of guns all over the world. We tried to ban drugs and drugs are coming into the country by the tons. What do you think is going to happen if we ban certain guns or guns in general? Absolutely, the illicit gun trade will explode. And criminals will have them, while innocent people will be killed by them.

    I say when liberals get to their final resting place, they can get rid of whatever they want. However, while here, they need to get with program and allow people to protect themselves from the all too common nut jobs that are hell-bent on mayhem.

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  2. Ms. Pitts: That's about the sanest letter you've ever written into the Journal.

    I, too, think the NRA suggestion is a good one to have guards(armed) at schools. WS/FC Schools have long had SROs (School Resource Officers) in high schools, and have greatly benefitted from them.

    Recently, the school system is proposing increased security at the schools. If you've ever lived in a big metropolitan area, you would have immediately noticed the increased amount of security compared to here. You can't just go waltzing up to school door and say hello to your child's teacher.

    I truly wish these liberals would be required to attend security training so that they can learn how to protect their children more effectively.

    Children are our most precious possessions. We need to protect them at all costs. Even it means having an armed guard with an assault weapon posted at our schools.

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  3. "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." Voltaire

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    1. That quote has been adopted by a support group for people who have escaped Mormonism.

      Fortunately, I live in the USA, so am allowed to criticize anyone I want.

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    2. I read about the Mormon part. Voltaire never experienced political correctness.

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    3. Actually, he did, simply by another name...the Catholic church. Nothing could be more political or more correct.

      Voltaire got away with a lot because he was an aristocrat, but we will never know what he really believed in his heart of hearts, because he frequently practiced self censorship.

      He had seen the inside of the Bastille, and he had seen his client and friend Jean Calas broken on the wheel with hammers and then hanged for the "offense" of trying to convert someone in his household to Protestantism, so he usually knew where to draw the line...although, obviously, not always, as evidenced by his continual cat and mouse game with the powers that be.

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    4. “It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong” Voltaire

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    5. It seems Voltaire's statement holds true even today. The more things change....

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    6. Phargo, well there you are. I thought you had misplaced yourself.

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  4. There must me a red and a blue heaven and never the twain shall meet, because I know I wouldn't be in heaven if I was with you and I'm sure you feel likewise.

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    1. Well, Wordly, that's one of the great things about heaven...everybody gets to imagine it the way they want it.

      My grandmother seemed content with the idea of spending eternity sitting on a cloud strumming a harp. I never told her, but I would rather take my chances with hell than do that.

      My idea of heaven would be pretty much what I am doing now, minus all the negativists, perhaps.

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    2. The best Heaven will have excellent trout fishing every day.

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  5. Do you think North Carolina is positioned well for success in 2013? Fairly well I think. It all depends on the amount of damage done to our economy by the Federal Ogre.

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    1. Yeppers, we've got the right team in Raleigh to move forward this time around. After four years of 'ol Bev., it's about time to get things going.

      Sometimes, I think Democrats purposely choose the dumbest and most ignorant people they can find to run for political office just to piss off the rest of us.

      With McCrory at the helm, and a Republican GA backing him up, we'll be able to get rid of these racist law that Democrats forced down our throats, and many other ineffectual actions the rube like Democrats passed.

      It may not be like heaven during the next four years, but it'll be closer than NC has ever come.

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  6. LTE #1 - An amazing rant of ignorance…not unusual because the press has failed to counteract the continuous drumbeat of lies perpetrated by the NRA. Of course, the gun nuts buy it, but unfortunately the public at large also buys it because of the silence of the legitimate press.

    Fortunately, and finally, someone has begun keeping score. According to the Violence Policy Center, since 2007, when they started counting, 499 people have been killed by CCW permit holders in cases not involving self defense.

    14 of those have been law enforcement officers. About a hundred others have been killed in 23 mass shootings. But here is a more common scenario:

    On April 28, 2010, in Florida, concealed handgun permit holder Robert G. Webster and his wife were returning home from a visit to the doctor when he got into a confrontation with neighbor and fellow concealed handgun permit holder Charles E. Ingram, 57. According to witnesses, as the argument escalated Webster, age 63, walked out of his yard with a gun at his side and then raised it. Ingram, who had also left his yard, standing in the sidewalk and street, raised his gun as Webster approached. Both men fired at approximately the same time. Webster died at the scene. Ingram died less than a month later from wounds inflicted by Webster. Detectives investigating the shooting concluded that both men might have faced criminal charges had they lived.
    ___Florida Times-Union, May 25, 2010.

    Two stupid angry old white men, perfect examples of the typical CCW holder. The shootings have occurred everywhere that people are, at home, on the streets and highways, in government buildings, in stores, in parks, you name it.

    Most of the perpetrators have been tried and convicted. A few were killed by police or committed suicide. The rest are awaiting trial.

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    1. A man was killed this morning when one of two people he tried to rob at gunpoint drew their own gun and opened fire on the would-be robber, Jacksonville police said.

      Sgt. Shawn Coarsey said the robber approached the two victims who were in their car in the 1000 block of West 13th Street about 3:30 a.m. He said the victim did have a permit to carry the firearm.


      Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-06-30/story/armed-robber-shot-killed-after-victim-pulls-his-own-gun-jacksonville#ixzz2GYMFKSW2
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      Democrats hate CCW laws, because a lot of them get killed when they try to rob people that have them.

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    2. On December 3, 2009, Bart Johnson shot and killed Pelham, Alabama,police officer Philip Davis during a routine traffic stop for speeding. According to videotape from the officer’s patrol car, as Officer Davis approached Johnson's vehicle, “unprovoked and without a word, Johnson fired one shot, striking Davis in the face.”

      A local pharmacist, Johnson obtained a concealed weapons permit in 2007 and renewed it in 2008 and 2009. He was charged with capital murder.

      On May 12, 2011, Bart Johnson was found guilty of capital murder in the death of Officer Davis. On June 16, 2011, Johnson was sentenced to death by lethal injection.

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    3. Democratic criminal takes a bullet from a CCW holder.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1evT61Qp_Q

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    4. DURHAM, N.C. – Two teenagers and a 12-year-old girl have been charged in the shooting death of a North Carolina man during a carjacking.

      Investigators say the three approached 35-year-old Johnny Danilo Villatoro of Durham on Friday night and asked him for a ride before carjacking and shooting him. Authorities found Villatoro lying in the street, and he later died at a hospital.

      Police say the 12-year-old suspect accidentally shot herself in the stomach and leg while inside Villatoro's car. She was being treated for non-life-threatening injuries and was expected to survive.

      Authorities say the 12-year-old and two other suspects, ages 14 and 16, are being charged with murder. It wasn't known if any of them had attorneys or when they would appear in court.


      Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/29/2-teens-12-year-old-charged-in-north-carolina-murder/?test=latestnews#ixzz2GYdlCqHe
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      Too bad the victim didn't have a CCW permit and was armed, maybe he could have defended himself.

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    5. Humberto Delgado Jr., 34, shot and killed 11-year Tampa police veteran Corporal Mike Roberts after the officer responded to a suspicious person call.

      Delgado was pushing a shopping cart which turned out to be filled with military gear, a Kel-Tec assault rifle, a Taurus .45 pistol, and a .22 revolver. He also had a Glock 17 pistol in a backpack. When Corporal Roberts tried to question Delgado, a struggle ensued and Roberts was shot while on his back. Although Corporal Roberts was wearing body armor, a bullet struck him in an unprotected area and entered his chest.

      Delgado had been a law enforcement officer in the Virgin Islands for four years until 2000 and had served in the U.S. Army. He had a concealed handgun permit issued in North Carolina.

      On November 15, 2011, Delgado was found guilty of first-degree murder. He was sentenced to death on February 11, 2012.

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      Classic gun nut.

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    6. Democrats fired upon as they try to rob jewelry store in CA.

      http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/08/california-jewelry-store-owner-fires-back-at-armed-robbers/

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    7. "CCW holders are among the most law-abiding of citizens..."
      ___NRA

      On November 19, 2008, Christina Korbe shot and killed FBI Special Agent Samuel Hicks in Indiana Township, PA. Federal agents, led by Agent Hicks, had entered Korbe’s home to serve an arrest warrant on her husband. The gun used by Korbe in the incident was a 38 caliber Taurus Ultra-Lite revolver.

      In addition to being charged with killing an FBI agent, Korbe, who had a concealed handgun permit, was charged in federal court with firearm offenses.

      On January 18, 2011, Christina Korbe pleaded guilty to voluntary manslaughter and committing a crime of violence with a firearm. Korbe was sentenced to 70 months for manslaughter, plus 120 months for the firearm offense, and was given credit for time already served.
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      Those CCW folks really do know how to defend themselves, don't they?

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    8. The problem when you ask really broad rhetorical questions like C. Frank, is that you're begging for someone to prove you wrong.

      One time JFHLion said something like "What good has government ever done?" He thought he was being profound. Wiseass that I am, I said "land grants for the transcontinental railroad, rural electrification, won a few wars, got us out of the depression, interstate highway system, public education, moon landing, Internet..."

      Needless to say, his majesty was not amused.

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    9. Liberals want people to just become victims of gun violence, like those poor children. I say fight back.

      We've had enough people that were unarmed when they were shot dead during crimes.

      We tried it the dopey liberals' way, let's try it the right way for a change.

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  7. Illinois House candidate withdraws after gun charges

    Posted by
    CNN's Gregory Wallace

    (CNN) - Illinois state Sen. Donne Trotter, who was considered by some the frontrunner in the race to succeed U.S. Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., dropped out Saturday, almost three weeks after prosecutors say he attempted to bring a gun through an airport security checkpoint.

    "Today, I formally announce my intention to end my candidacy for that position," the Chicago Democrat told local elected officials, constituents and reporters Saturday in Chicago.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/29/illinois-house-candidate-withdraws-after-gun-charges/?hpt=hp_t2

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    Classic liberal Democrat. They're always doing something stupid.

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    1. Illinois has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, you'd think a 'Democrat' from there would know better than to take a gun on a plane.

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    2. I should know better than to give a Democrat credit for anything.

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  8. Not sure about how true this aspect of the story is, but I believe Bucky posted about it the other day although I don't follow his links because he refuses to post them as clickable links
    From Facebook:

    There's a story making the rounds, posted mainly by Republicans, about a shooting at a restaurant and movie theater in San Antonio, TX. It's a story on two levels because one it wasn't picked up by any mainstream media (though most who share the story don't mention that Fox News, Rush Limbaugh nor Beck spoke of this shooting either) and it involved a gunman who went to a restaurant to kill his ex-girlfriend then turned to a movie theater next door, opened fire but was gunned down by someone at the movie theater.

    While the story is meant to be a "see good people with guns are the only ones who can stop bad people with guns" it's really a story that requires deeper thinking, which Republicans never tend to practice.

    Facts are that the gunman did in fact get taken down by an armed person at the movie theater....who was an off-duty police officer with a handgun.

    So, in Texas, a state where Concealed Handgun Licenses are everywhere, it wasn't an ordinary civilian who took down this man...it was a well trained off-duty cop.

    Also, this story doesn't support at all the need for ordinary citizens to own high-powered assault rifles with large magazines full of ammunition. It showed what one well trained person can do with a handgun.

    Also, and here's the kicker the Republican sheeple won't include in the story, the off-duty officer was working security for the movie theater. It wasn't because some ordinary citizen had a CHL and stopped a mass murdering psychopath, it was an off-duty cop working security at a movie theater.

    So what the story really breaks down to is that an off-duty cop, working security at a movie theater, stopped a gunman.

    Yet they've spun the story into some conspiracy theory by the mainstream media to not report on stories that show armed civilians stopping gun violence.

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    1. The San Antonio shooting was covered promptly by at least:

      The Huffington Post
      CBS
      MSNBC
      The Village Voice
      Fox
      Salon
      Washington Post

      Typical gun nut nonsense. The story is essentially a local one. No one was killed, and only the gunman was seriously injured. Just a bunch of hysterical clucking from the Chicken Little crowd.

      The shooter was upset with his girlfriend for breaking up with him. He may have suspected that she was involved with someone at the China Garden restaurant where they both worked, so he decided to shoot the place up. The employees fled; he followed one of them toward the theater, shooting in the air and at cars with his Glock 23.

      In the theater lobby, he finally hit someone in the back. The man was treated and released later that night. The Mayan complex has 14 theaters. The shooter never entered any of them.

      Bexar County sheriff's Sgt. Lisa Castellano was working security at the theater complex. She cornered the shooter in a men's restroom (now that's a familiar venue on this forum)and shot him at least once. He is in stable condition at a local ICU.

      Please note that officer Castellano is a Latina.

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    2. Again, I enjoy it when a liberal helps me make my point(s).

      The facts are that an armed person took down the criminal, whether or not he was an off duty cop or not is not dramatically relevant. Police officers are not the only ones that are capable of shooting guns with a high degree of proficiency and protecting innocent others.

      Additionally, the story helps support the NRA's position that armed security personnel need to be stationed at every school to potentially thwart these loony liberal wanna bees with guns.

      Thanks Wordly. You must have went to Rush's school of how to help a conservative make a point, without really intentionally trying.

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    3. "...whether or not he was an off duty cop..."

      he? Your worst nightmare Littlebuck, an armed, trained female, Latin to boot.

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    5. There you go again Rushie.....Ass-suming. Some women can shoot very well.

      What am I going to do with you Rush? You're basically worthless as a 'thinking' human being.

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  9. POST A LINK IN COMMENTS
    This is the code you drop into the comment box:
    Title
    Replace the URL with the URL of the site you are linking to and replace the Title with the title of the site.

    Thanks for making it so simple, Bob.

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    1. You don't have to read or utilize my references. I merely put them there for people like Rush who have trouble dealing with, and accepting the truth.

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    2. Wordly, you're link didn't work for me. I got an error message.

      Doesn't matter, because Littlebuck is too lazy and rude to get it...it's a part of his pathetic persona.

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    3. GOALLLLL!

      I use a clipboard manager called ClipMenu to store this code as a snippet, so can easily paste it any time I need it. ClipMenu only works with Macs, but there are many free clipboard managers available for Windows machines as well. Saves a lot of time.

      I do see another problem for Littlebuck however, having noted that this code was posted by someone named Annie, as in Oakley or Little Orphan...even if Littlebuck could master such a simple process, could he take instruction from a mere woman?

      Wonder if we could find a link to some studly, gun worshipping sissy boy who provides the same info.

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    4. I just book marked it and copy and paste as required. I would be kind of disappointed if he started using it as I would have to come up with some other reason to not look at his links.

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    1. Happy Holidays, bro...something like that? Gotta love those family values.

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  11. More stupid gun nut news, all reported within a week by WRAL-TV, Raleigh:

    Elizabethtown, N.C. — A retired North Carolina State Highway Patrol trooper is being investigated in Bladen County for shooting a father and son during a trespassing dispute.

    Thomas David Daughety Sr., 64, of Parkton, and Thomas David Daughety Jr., 42, of Fayetteville, were shot Monday morning on U.S. Highway 701, near Beards Chapel Loop Road, in Elizabethown.

    Bladen County sheriff's Capt. Rodney Hester said Herbert Paul Weissinger, 55, the son-in-law of a private land owner, confronted the pair about trespassing and that there was a "physical altercation" before the gunfire.

    A witness who was with the Daughetys, however, said the pair was running dogs to track bears on state game land that bordered the private property and that they never wandered onto it.

    The witness said Weissinger approached them in an SUV, got out shouting obscenities and pulled a handgun on the Daughetys in a heated exchange.

    Neither of the Daughetys were armed, the witness said, adding that their guns were in their truck.

    Thomas Daughety Jr. was shot in the stomach and the arm, authorities said. His father was shot in the hand while trying to wrestle away the gun during the confrontation.
    ___WRAL, Raleigh, December 27, 2012


    Wake Forest, N.C. — A 12-year-old Tarboro boy was accidentally shot and killed while hunting with his family in Wake Forest on Friday morning, according to the Wake County Sheriff's Office.

    James Lee Parker was hunting deer with his father, uncle and 16-year-old stepbrother when he was shot just before 8 a.m., according to the boy's grandfather, Jimmy Parker III.

    James, who had hunted since he was 4 years old, was about 100 yards in the woods near 1617 Bent Road when the shooting occurred. Sheriff's officials did not say who shot him or how it happened.

    Authorities released a redacted recording of the 911 call made shortly after the shooting. The sobbing caller tells the dispatcher, "My son is dead in a hunting accident. We were hunting. My son has been shot in a hunting accident."

    The caller tells 911 that the boy is not breathing and limp, then begins to weep.

    James was a seventh-grader at Phillips Middle School in Edgecombe County.
    ___WRAL, Raleigh, December 28, 2012


    Wendell, N.C. — A 15-year-old freshman at Corinth Holders High School died at a Wendell home Friday night after a gun went off and shot him, the Johnston County Sheriff's Office said.

    According to investigators, Robert Keith Furey, 55, of the 200 block of David Road, was showing Nick Exley a gun about 9:30 p.m. when it went off and fatally injured him.

    "He was a 15-year-old boy that had his whole life ahead of him," Exley's aunt, Cynthia Perry, said. "School, college, girls, family, and now he's gone. And he doesn't have that chance any longer."

    Furey has been charged with voluntary manslaughter in the incident. He was being held in the Johnson County jail Sunday under a $250,000 bond.
    ___WRAL, Raleigh, December 22, 2012

    SANFORD, N.C. — Investigators say a hunter who died three days after he was wounded in Lee County was shot at fairly close range.

    Lee County sheriff's Capt. Jeff Johnson told WRAL-TV that investigators think whomever shot 26-year-old Robert Devitto knew they were shooting at a person.

    Johnson says the shooting doesn't appear to be an accident and some evidence shows Devitto may have gotten into a confrontation with another hunter.

    Friends found Devitto on Dec. 18 with buckshot wounds to his face and chest after he did not return home from duck hunting alone on state wildlife game lands. He died three days later.
    ___WRAL, Raleigh, December 25, 2012

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    1. Update on the Wake Forest story:

      The kid's 30 year old uncle killed him. Probably mistook him for a mountain lion.

      The uncle had an "improperly acquired" hunting license and had also failed to take a required course in hunting safety.

      I can just hear him now: "Don't need no huntin' course. Ah know all 'bout guns an' huntin', cause Ah'm a man."

      Don't worry...he'll just get a slap on the wrist...they always do.

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