Benefit
Dianne Dawson Garrett’s guest column, “Play it forward” (June 17), began with a quote by Ralph Waldo Emerson. On the subject of “the order of nature,” Emerson failed to capture that the rendering “benefit” to the giver, from those who receive, is that the giver has the reward, the benefit, of knowing that he did good.
There are no selfless acts.
LLOYD V. EVANS II
Winston-Salem
Political scheme
Of all the many political schemes to buy votes that President Obama has used, his latest is the most blatant and, some say, illegal. His decision to exempt 800,000 illegal aliens from deportation is a slap in the face of every unemployed American because it pushes Americans furthur to the rear in trying to find work. Obama knows this, but he is more interested in getting re-elected than standing up for American workers.
The June 18 article “In Ala., workers vanish after immigration law” should be titled “Illegal aliens vanish after immigration law.” The article states that unemployment in the state has fallen from 9.8 percent to 7.2 percent. This law drove tens of thousands of illegal aliens from the state, opening up job opportunities for American workers.
Many say that these individuals should not be punished by being deported because they were brought here by their parents. But if this reasoning is pursued to its logical conclusion, then no parent would ever be sent to prison for murder or any other crime because that would punish their children for something the parents did. How absurd.
I trust every unemployed Americans will consider this latest ploy when they go to the ballot box in November.
HOWELL D. JACKSON
Walkertown
Bump in the road
Thank you for acknowledging significant progress at the state crime laboratory (?) (“A big bump on road to reform,” June 20).
Notwithstanding 40,000 submissions annually, lab operation under ISO 17025, the highest international standards for forensic laboratories, is imminent. The new Forensic Science Advisory Board experts complement the lab’s work. Two independent 2011 DNA audits found perfect compliance with FBI standards. In 2010, the DNA database exonerated over 100 individuals and solved crimes with 420 “hits.”
Yet independent certification of lab scientists has created confusion.
Only this state requires certification. Our lab scientists have qualified as expert witnesses in thousands of trials, and remain experienced, knowledgeable and skillful. Nearly 70 percent of eligible analysts are certified; the unsuccessful will test again; the remainder will test once eligible.
Following legal advice, analyst test results were placed in private personnel files. Revealing such information without a court order is a criminal misdemeanor, and subjects those responsible to disciplinary action, including dismissal and suit by the employee.
We did not resist disclosure. But recognizing the tension between personnel privacy and the district attorneys’ disclosure obligations, I proposed that district attorneys obtain court orders for disclosure while complying with personnel privacy laws. Forsyth County District Attorney Jim O’Neill followed this precise process.
An internal communications breakdown, not forgetfulness, caused the notification failure which the Forsyth judge ruled was “inadvertent.” However, the responsibility remains mine.
I deeply regret this “bump in the road,” but the lab is determined to emerge even stronger and better.
JUDGE JOSEPH JOHN
DIRECTOR, STATE CRIME LAB
Raleigh
Placing blame
The writer of the June 20 letter “The governed people” blamed just about everyone who has ever led/ruled for the world’s problems. This writer sounds a lot like our president, who sounds more and more like a third-grader with each passing day.
“President Obama, did you do this?”
“Yes, but it was not my fault.”
“Whose fault was it?”
“The guy who had this job before I did.”
If re-elected, will he realize that his predecessor will have been himself?
There is a song that was popular in the 1960s titled “The Name Game.” In the song, Shirley Ellis tells us how to rhyme any name. I think the campaign song for the 2012 Obama campaign should be a play on this: “The Blame Game.” Names suggested for blame could be George W. Bush, Big Oil, Congress, Supreme Court and, of course, Wall Street.
Realize that recent grown-up presidents found ways to work (play well) with others. The 2001 Bush tax cuts passed 58-33 in a Democratic-controlled Senate, the extension of these cuts in 2010 passed 81-19, again in a Democratic-controlled Senate. Bill Clinton passed meaningful legislation in his last six years with a Republican Congress and Ronald Reagan passed effective legislation during his two terms with a Democratic-controlled Congress.
What’s missing from this administration? Maturity and respect for others.
TOM D. JONES
Winston-Salem
Here we go folks!
ReplyDeleteThe Supreme Court has just rammed one up the Obama Administration's yazzooooooooooo!
A key component of the Arizona immigration law was upheld.
Thursday should be fun too with Obamacare on the chopping block.
Anytime you get a bunch of liberals in charge, you know things are going to get screwed up.
Let's go down the top three:
1) Barack Obama
2) AG Eric Holder, and last but not least
3) Nancy Pelosi
Four more years of Obama's nonsense? I don't think so.
CNN, the most liberal name in news, is putting the best spin it can on it:
DeleteBlow to immigration law: You went too far.
You gotta love liberals. Even in the face of defeat, they'll say anything that they 'think' helps their cause.
Most of the provisions of SB1070 were ruled unconstitutional. The "papers please" aspect survived, but the court could later revisit that point if too many people are deprived of their "LIBERTY" while police detain them to determine their immigration status, and if racial profiling is prevalent after the law is implemented.
DeleteOnce Obama is thrown out of office. We'll get the immigration policy straighten out.
DeleteWE NEED TO SECURE THE BORDERS!
But there has come to pass, and is with us today, the specter that Arizona and the States that support it predicted: A Federal Government that does not want to enforce the immigration laws as written, and leaves the States’ borders unprotected against immigrants whom those laws would exclude. So the issue is a stark one. Are the sovereign States at the mercy of the Federal Executive’s refusal to enforce the Nation’s immigration laws?
DeleteA good way of answering that question is to ask: Would the States conceivably have entered into the Union if the Constitution itself contained the Court’s holding? Today’s judgment surely fails that test. [...] If securing its territory in this fashion is not within the power of Arizona, we should cease referring to it as a sovereign State.
Justice Antonin Scalia
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Thanks Justice Scalia. Sadly, we are rolling along toward anarchy at the hands of Democrats. It is comforting to know that are at some among us that respect the rule of law.
We're hearing that the Obama Administration is already trying to circumvent the Supreme Court decision by directing the DHS not to cooperate with Arizona Law Enforcement on the portion of the law that was upheld.
DeleteDictator Obama is one busy bee.
Obama's 'Dream Act' executive order-not legal! Keep those dictatorial actions coming.......
Deletehttp://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_dream_order_isn_legal_4WAYaqJueaEK6MS0onMJCO?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=Oped%20Columnists
MSNBC reports that there are 400,000 illegal immigrants in Arizona alone.
Delete1.4 million people live in Phoenix, the state's largest city.
DeleteBy Monday afternoon, the Department of Homeland Security had pulled back on a program known as 287(g), which allows the feds to deputize local officials to make immigration-based arrests. According to a Homeland Security official, the administration has determined those agreements are "not useful" now in states that have Arizona-style laws. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has since rescinded that agreement in Arizona -- with the state itself, and with three local law enforcement agencies.
DeleteObama sets up hotline to protect illegals.
Deletehttp://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57460260/feds-set-up-hotline-for-immigration-concerns/?tag=stack
Going to be a long week without Dotnet or Bob.
ReplyDeleteIt seems like they have allowed our principal 'Troll' to take over the site. I didn't think Stab would allow 'Rush' to write about himself.
DeleteIt's going to fun on Thursday. Obamacare is going to take a beating, I predict.
Rush gets called out for what he is...a big fat LIAR and jibber jabber...and he whines like a little girl. Why am I not surprised?
DeleteTambủ...
DeleteRe: OT writing about himself. Most of us write about ourselves from time to time.
DeleteKeep those posts about unions coming Stab. I enjoy reading them. You're right on the mark!
DeleteMore remora...
DeleteStab, I think he was referring to the two troll pages.
DeleteY'know, that bit of repartee went over my head. Time must be taking its toll.
DeleteWell, that is true for all of us aging geeks.
DeleteSomebody asked me the other day for my address, and I had to stop and think it over like it was a question on a physics test. Whatever happened to Q = mc Δ T (MCAT !? Jeez!
Oops, left out a parenthesis...see what I'm talking about? My professor would have scornfully thrown me out of the classroom.
DeleteRush loves being the forum 'Troll'. We'll never get rid of him.
DeleteYes, Wordly, a very long week indeed...mucho hot air.
ReplyDeleteHere are four key takeaways from this decision:
ReplyDelete1. Arizona Does Not Get To Have Its Own Immigration Policy: For decades the backbone of American immigration law has been an understanding that the United States has one immigration policy set by our national government, not fifty different immigration policies set by fifty different states. Today’s decision leaves this basic framework in place. In the words of Justice Kennedy’s majority opinion, “[i]t is fundamental that foreign countries concerned about the status, safety, and security of their nationals in the United States must be able to confer and communicate on this subject with one national sovereign, not the 50 separate States.”
2. Arizona Cannot Create New Crimes Targeting Immigrants: SB 1070 criminalizes “willful failure to complete or carry an alien registration document,” it makes it a crime for undocumented immigrants to work or seek work, and it authorizes police to arrest anyone the officer has “probably cause to believe” can be deported. All of these provisions were struck down by the Court. Notably, Justice Kennedy’s opinion acknowledged how forcing immigrants into the shadows can lead to their exploitation: “making criminals out of aliens engaged in unauthorized work—aliens who already face the possibility of employer exploitation because of their removable status—would be inconsistent with federal policy and objectives.”
3. Arizona Cannot Detain People Simply Because They Might Be Undocumented: Although the opinion does not strike down the “show me your papers” provision, it significantly lessens the harm caused by this provision. SB 1070 provides that “[a]ny person who is arrested shall have the person’s immigration status determined before the person is released,” but the Court warns the state not to apply this provision literally if it wants to avoid running headlong into the Constitution:
DeleteDetaining individuals solely to verify their immigration status would raise constitutional concerns. And it would disrupt the federal framework to put state officers in the position of holding aliens in custody for possible unlawful presence without federal direction and supervision. The program put in place by Congress does not allow state or local officers to adopt this enforcement mechanism.
But §2(B) could be read to avoid these concerns. To take one example, a person might be stopped for jaywalking in Tucson and be unable to produce identification. The first sentence of §2(B) instructs officers to make a “reasonable” attempt to verify his immigration status with ICE if there is reasonable suspicion that his presence in the United States is unlawful. The state courts may conclude that, unless the person continues to be suspected of some crime for which he may be detained by state officers, it would not be reasonable to prolong the stop for the immigration inquiry.
Although the Court technically does not reason a decision on this question, under today’s opinion, prolonging a person’s detention simply to verify their immigration status is almost certainly not allowed.
4. Obama’s DREAM Initiative Is Legal: Finally, as Judd Legum notes, the opinion strongly hints that the Obama Administration’s directive allowing undocumented college students and veterans to remain in the country is lawful. Indeed, on page 17 of the opinion, the Court explicitly lists “a veteran” or a “college student” as two examples of undocumented immigrants who should not experience “unnecessary harassment.”
DeleteIn the end, the Obama Administration got 85 percent of what it asked for from the Supreme Court today, plus an unexpected lift to its newly announced immigration directive. Three of SB 1070′s four challenged provisions were struck down, and the remaining provision was significantly limited. Moreover, it is possible that a subsequent challenge could invalidate show me your papers for good. The Court leaves open the possibility that future constitutional challenges to this provision could strike it down. http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/06/25/505672/four-takeaways-from-todays-arizona-immigration-decision/
Actually, Obama's executive order is not legal. It directly conflicts with federal immigration law.
DeleteNo matter, he'll probably be out of office soon. I think most thinking Americans have had enough.
Nice job though 'Wordly'. Much better than Rush usually does. In his anxious attempt to prove certain people wrong, that he doesn't like or agree with, he usually throws in a few boneheaded statements that makes his post(s) incredulous.
Bucky, I just copied and pasted something from a website which explained the outcome much better than I could hope to do. O.T. on the other hand, can articulate original succinct and erudite arguments to your banal babble the likes of which I could never contemplate achieving in spite of my moniker.
Delete¡Bien dicho, Wordly!
DeleteOh Wordly....I had such high hopes for you too. Rush is a liberal NW. I'll admit he can babble. But his babble is just that, it's meaningless. His problem is he tries to over reach in his arguments and in his rush to prove me wrong on ever issue and detail. He ends up looking like an idiot as a result.
DeleteBut who am I to talk, he seems to enjoy it.
Having yet another good laugh at the illiterate one...
ReplyDeleteA statement (or a post), cannot be "incredulous"...incredculous refers to the response of the receiver or listener, as in:
"Henny Penny, Henny Penny, the sky is falling, the sky is falling," shouted Chicken Little.
Henny Penny was incredulous at the news. She looked up at the sky. "I don't think so, Dunce," she said.
Poor Rush....he hates it when he makes a fool of himself.
DeleteHe would be better off if he admitted he was wrong and moved on. But oh no! Not the biggest liberal NW we've got in here. He's not going to do something THAT smart.
Hee Hee...liberals...you gotta love 'em. They're quite entertaining.
Dunce boy, we haven't heard any response at all from you regarding the stadium or the Navy hazing issues except for name calling. Let's hear an adult, coherent rebuttal for once.
DeleteI think it's time for you to put up or shut up.
You're worthless Rush. I'm about done with you. You're quite entertaining though, and you serve as a great example of why things are going so terribly wrong in this country.
DeleteIs that your idea of an adult, coherent argument?
DeleteBucky contradicts himself, lol.
DeleteHi Phargo...good to see that you're still around. We were afraid that you had been arrested in Tombstone for looking like an illegal alien and deported to Nogales.
DeleteThere was a time when that wouldn't have been so bad...Nogales, like many Mexican border towns, was a pretty cool place.
But today, after decades of the losing "War on Drugs", it is not a very safe place to hang out. Mores the shame.
Phargo....I'll bet you're glad the Sandusky trial is over.
DeleteThere will be another one that's similar. There always will be too....sadly.
"But today, after decades of the losing "War on Drugs", it is not a very safe place to hang out. Mores the shame."
DeleteHeard an interesting interview on Joaquin Guzman and the Sinaloa Cartel the other day.
Political analyst Michael Barone says this fraying is nothing new for the Democratic Party.
Delete"One of the problems for a Democratic president or any Democratic candidate is that sometimes pleasing one of your core groups can displease another,” he said. As an example, Barone points to the intra-party fight over gay marriage. "Young voters are heavily in favor of it. Black voters have tended to be heavily against it."
Thanks, Wordly, for the excellent analysis.
ReplyDeleteI think there may be a surprise coming on Thursday, and from a surprising source...say John Scalia. He is by far the best versed justice on the "commerce clause" and has already made some surprising decisions in other cases.
Both major decisions today, SB1070 and Montana's request to for a redo on Citizens United favored the supremacy of Federal laws over state laws.
DeleteYes, they did. Citizens United is a great example of terrible thinking on the part of the Supreme Court.
DeleteIt ignores the fact that corporations are just the opposite of individuals...they are intended to take the individual out of the equation and shelter them from their own wrongdoing by claiming that some imaginary, invisible being called the corporation committed their crimes.
We can be sure that the Founding Fathers had no intention of allowing this kind of thinking. The 1st Amendment says "the right of the people". Anyway you cut it, a corporation is not "the people".
I doubt that Citizens will survive the decade.
I don't know about that. The genie may be out of the bottle. Prior to CU, some groups of people were more equal than others, like media corporations, and another entity that I'll leave nameless.
DeleteBefore CU it appeared that Obama would have a massive fund-raising edge over the R challenger. Do you think the hew and cry from the left would be so pronounced if CU had allowed that advantage to maintain or enhance that advantage? Methinks not. I note the efforts to dilute the effects of CU as far as ill-favored entities are concerned, while leaving favored entities less encumbered, as with the (fortunately) failed Disclose Act.
Hi, cuz,
DeleteYou weren't going to say the "u" word, were you? Let's hope not. I wish you would do a little research on your own and find out just how much the corps have been spending, long before Citizens, vs the "u". And not just campaign contributions, but the really big money, lobbying.
The proportion isn't 5-1...it isn't 10-1...it's way higher. My ass and yours, and the ass of the nation, belong to the corps, and we're not talking Semper Fi here.
Oh, and by the way, have you seen a remora around? I would have sworn there was one yesterday.
Equal protection under the law does not promise equality of result, a fact ignored by the left. Also, I am reminded that a certain entity is a minor player in the private sector, so perhaps the inequality of result, based on your ratios, is actually quite fair.
DeleteBut, speaking of equality, let's take that up: same tax rules, same antitrust rules, same election funding rules . . . fertile fields to be plowed.
I believe I did feel a nuzzle from a remora. Not many pickings for it from this old shark. Bucks and immigrants aren't part of my diet. Even union reps get a pass. I did have some beer with one, though. Interesting conversation, after which both sharks swam away.
Delete28 posts, and almost half of them from just one person who, ironically, has NOTHING to say.
ReplyDeleteThis just in:
ReplyDeleteThe federal government gets to deal with immigration, not the states.
The irony is that this was even disputed. Both the Constitution itself and Constitutional scholarship and law have made it clear from the very beginning that the federal government and only the federal government has the right to regulate all trans-border matters.
DeletePolice have participated in partnerships with the feds for years regarding immigration issues. The 287(g) law is still on the books and has not been ruled un-constitutional. The Supreme Ct even upheld a provision in the Arizona law that says is much. I don't know where Rush got his law degree, but he should turn it in. Probably FT. No...he probably couldn't get in there.
DeleteStab...I'm ready for some new liberal recruits!
DeleteTrue that. At any time of the day or night in Anytown, USA if there is an illegal immigrant sitting in the county lock up and Barney Fife has to be served two subpoenas, one civil and the other federal, guess which one is gonna be served. Federal. You gotta give the states kudos for trying, but they didn't think it all the way through. Alabama's next, I think.
Deletesorry, bucky, but it's not about you.
DeleteShame on you, Phargo. You'll break poor Bucky's spirit. It's OK Buck boy, dry those tears, it is, indeed, all about you.
DeleteHere's the Proof
Okay, I'll settle for the ones I've got. But it's not much a challenge anymore. Hopefully, Bob will return. He's the only one that seems to be able to debate with any credibility.
DeletePhargo...I will give credit to the author of the 'Troll' intro. Whoever it was, obviously knew Rush quite well.
DeleteQUITO, June 24 (Reuters) - Lonesome George, the last remaining tortoise of his kind and a conservation icon, died on Sunday of unknown causes, the Galapagos National Park said.
ReplyDeleteLonesome George was found in 1972 and had become a symbol of Ecuador's Galapagos Islands, which attracted some 180,000 visitors last year.
The giant Galapagos tortoises, which can live up to 200 years, were among the species that helped Charles Darwin formulate his theory of evolution in the 19th century.
Quo vadis George? We hope to the happy turtle foraging ground.
DeleteTheory.....? I guess Wes isn't the only one who thinks it's a theory.
DeleteA theory is an explanation of observations based on rigorous successful peer-reviewed experimentation. A theory fails an experiment, it gets modified or junked. Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, Evolution, they all keep passing tests. When you hear or read "theory," you may think "fact." Saying "It's just a theory," is the same as saying, "I don't know what I'm talking about."
DeleteHa, ha! Got to love this image...October 20, 2012, 1:30 PM, Bowman Gray Stadium in W-S...preliminary to the homecoming game WSSU vs Livingstone College...15,000 fans in the stands, watching...
DeleteDunce and Wes at midfield, bending over showing their bare asses to the crowd, and getting a thrill from doing it, while they debate scientific theory...this one will make the ESPN highlights nationwide...but the debate will end in a tie...
Because neither has any idea of what a scientific theory is, in other words, stupid is as stupid does.
See it here
Hi cuz,
DeleteYou do the high road professor thing, I'll do the low road asshole thing...
Either way it works. I just have more fun doing mine.