Sum It Up
The Sum It Up question from Sunday was: Are armed guards needed in every school?
School resource officers in elementary schools, as part of a national crusade against violence in our society – yes!
’Tis a sad commentary on our society that little children need armed guards. Let's get tough on violent people and the causes of their violence.
RALPH CHAPPELL
There is no one-size-fits-all solution. Every school will have a different security challenge because of its location, its design and other factors. Local communities and school districts — not the federal government — should determine how best to ensure the safety of their schools. Armed guards may indeed be advisable for some schools.
We must also realize that designating schools as gun-free zones is a serious problem, because it leaves schools vulnerable to criminals and the mentally deranged. Permitting teachers and administrators who wish to undergo special training, in order to carry concealed weapons, should be an option. In fact, many of our capable teachers and administrators are ex-military; such individuals would be natural candidates to conceal-carry on school premises. States such as Utah, Indiana and certain school districts in Ohio already allow teachers and administrators to conceal-carry.
We must not allow political correctness to prevent us from employing common-sense measures to keep our children safe.
DEB PHILLIPS
No, what we need is a more competent school board to pay attention to opportunities for cameras on buses, given that more children are killed or injured on their way to school because of passing motorists rather than gun violence.
SUZANNE CARROLL
Maybe, maybe not. Armed guards in every school are only a partial solution to mass shooting at schools. The suggestion does not address the root cause of gun violence -- the ready availability of firearms and high-capacity magazines. Until we find a solution to the problem of freely circulation of guns and the mental-health problems, sadly, the horrific tragic show of mass shooting goes on.
BOON T. LEE
Yes, as they say, “The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.” Sad, but true.
WILLIAM SAMS
That's almost the most absurd response I've heard to the Connecticut shootings. Second only to arming the teachers.
It certainly would please the NRA. It shamelessly uses every gun tragedy to boost the coffers of the gun industry.
HELEN ETTERS
There are an estimated 300 million guns in the United States and monsters among us that will use them. Have you noticed these monsters don’t go after police stations, gun stores or places where there may be immediate repercussions? It seems reasonable to have trained officers with weapons in our schools.
MICHAEL CALLAHAN
Legislate every person in the administration office to obtain a concealed handgun permit.
LLOYD V. EVANS II
Experienced, strictly vetted, armed guards should have been policy long ago. Perhaps it should be left up to the parents of particular schools to decide if they want more protection for their children. Decrees from Washington, Raleigh, or the local school board are not necessary.
Oh, but how will they be paid for? How are school resource officers paid for now? If need be, the necessary funds could come from PTAs like any number of other projects, or some other school-based program.
I may soon have great-grandchildren in schools.
Somebody better figure out how to keep them safe.
CHARLIE WEAVER
I would say no, we do not need to burden an already stressed budget for schools and raise taxes to accommodate having multiple armed guards per school. What I would suggest is to allow certain staff members at all schools to carry concealed weapons. Allow selected staff members to act as a rapid response team to at least initiate interaction on the onset of an armed incursion while awaiting the police to respond.
They would be trained and permitted to carry concealed weapons with additional training by local police departments. This would be less of a burden on taxpayers, allow the staff to protect the students and not be a visual target as an armed guard would be at a school.
I say again that these staff members would only be armed for the purpose of initial intervention. Had the principal at Sandy Hook or other staff members been armed, I do not think this outcome would have been so devastating.
MARK POWERS
I would prefer to have a police officer/sheriff's deputy in every school. Elementary school children see them as positive role models, and not threatening. I know most middle schools and high schools have one, and it should extend to the elementary schools, too.
KELLIENE FISHER
I find it revolting, disgusting, and totally bizarre to think of staffing our schools with armed guards when over 6,000 teachers and school personnel were laid off for lack of funding last year. Instead, let's concentrate on strengthening gun laws already in place, implementing more extensive background searches, as well as banning assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition.
Which is more important, our children or the NRA?
Also, our mental health-facilities are sorely lacking in funding and generally in shambles.
ANNE GRIFFIS WILSON
No.
What is needed is the infrastructure to protect teachers from thug teenagers. The option to expel those not wanting to learn. The liability, criminal and civil, of parents whose children are disruptive. Tort reform to protect the schools and teachers to defend from frivolous lawsuits.
Plus proficiency tests for all teachers, standardized tests yearly in all subjects to measure success. Fire all ineffective teachers, reduce administration and hire more teachers with the money saved.
Take education seriously enough to realize that while in school, the students’ only right is to safety and education.
KEN HOGLUND
I wish we lived in a country in which the tools of violent death were found only in the virtual world, but others fantasize having assault weapons in their closet and the power to murder by the dozen in seconds. If our schools are to be armed camps, let those who own deadly force pay the tab.
Let them pay when their ridiculous caricature of the Second Amendment is more important than life and liberty. Let them pay to guard those who are threatened by the existence of their perverse toys. Let them pay the costs we carry for their terrible obsession.
STEVE SCROGGIN
Yes, if you want to protect students, staff and property. This is why, I assume, we already have them in all middle and high schools in the Winston-Salem-Forsyth County school system.
FRANK SCISM
I don't think we need to pay new cops to be at schools, just arm the teachers who would like to do that since they are already at the schools.
HAROLD DYSON
No! It solves nothing. This is a distraction by the NRA. The NRA and the right offer this instead of real reform. It's costly without solving any problems.
We need to move away from guns, not toward more guns in society. This puts more guns into society without promising any protection.
Logistically, it makes no sense. A guard can't cover an entire school every minute of every day. Plus most shooters kill themselves; they won't be afraid of an armed guard. There were armed guards at Virginia Tech and that guy killed 32 and wounded 17 and the armed guards still didn't get him, he killed himself.
KAM BENFIELD
From Facebook: People are so angry about gun regulation. You'd think they were being denied the right to marry the person they love.
ReplyDeleteWell, Wordly, for a lot of guys, their man substitutes are indeed more important than anything else...even human love.
DeleteGood line, Wordly. Lots of contradictions in this life.
DeleteI would like to see the hysteria about gun violence, which is at least in part ideological, directed at the mayhem on streets and highways. Drunk drivers killed more people last year than guns, body count over 10K. Drivers in general killed over 30K more.
Note: I said drivers. Defective vehicles and roads account for some number of kills, but humans account a huge bulk. Pols addressed the issue for years with legislation re vehicle safety, which was needed, yes. But, the slaughter continues, with only a few apparently willing to note the higher automotive body count. And pols and the courts unwilling to take crappy drivers to task. OT's avatar, lifted from the "Pogo" comic strip, is ever more appropriate.
Last gun comment from me today.
Survival is a very powerful instinct, and guns provide tools to that end.
DeleteThere is no normal, natural instinct to take one up the whazoo, Wordly.
Next?
Wazoo.
DeleteLooks like Bucky just came out as neutered. Sex ranks up there with survival on the instinct scale. Guns provide a survival tool, but they aren't always the most effective tool, nor are they necessary for survival.
DeleteActually, the numbers for people killed by drunk drivers, which, of course, include the drivers as well as their victims, are pretty much a dead heat.
DeleteIn 2011, there were 9878 people killed in drunk driving accidents, about a third being the drivers, while guns were used to murder 8583.
The number of people killed by cars in all and the number by guns in all are also very close at around 30,000 annually.
But to compare guns and cars is a false analogy, because, unfortunately, cars are necessary in today's society. Guns are not.
Nonetheless, we have an amazingly indifferent attitude toward car kills, and the reason for them.
DeleteChicago Homicide Rate Already Outpacing 2012 Killings In First Week Of 2013
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Isn't Obama from Chicago? Doesn't Chicago have some of the strictest gun laws in the country?
You gotta love these Democrats that think that strict gun laws do any good. Let's use some logic in making new laws for a change. We've had enough of the Feinsteins of world stupid solutions.
Oh! And by the way, guns are necessary in today's society. Just ask the lady in Atlanta that had to defend herself and children with one from a Democrat that broke into her house.
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DeleteConnecticut doctor whose family was killed takes the stand
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I'll bet this doctor wishes he had a gun when this attack occurred.
Parrot or broken record? Either way, the SOS, multiple times, every day.
DeleteGuns kill about 30,000 Americans per year in murders, accidents and suicides. At best, guns are successfully used in self defense maybe two dozen times a year.
Not a very good cost-benefit ratio.
Oh, and the lady wasn't in Atlanta, she was in Loganville, about 32 miles east of Atlanta on the Athens Highway. I guess if you're going to get it wrong, you might as well get it all wrong.
Two dozen? On your pot early today, huh Rush?
DeleteThere are two dozen incidents in some cities alone where guns are used for self-protection.
Deletedotnet, not everybody looks at a bad end as a sexual orafice. Too bad you apparently do.
DeleteI see that Tiny has been reading the latest NRA propaganda...every time a gun owner gives his gun a hand job, the NRA counts that as a successful self defense. Most of us would call it something else.
DeleteThe lady in Loganville could have used mace, pepper spray or a taser to incompacitate the intruder without the possibility of ricocheting bullets or putting holes into your walls. Guns are far better offensive weapons than defensive. A home intrusion is the best defensive scenario for a gun because you can drop on the intruder. If someone pulls a gun on you, there's nothing you can do unless you're willing to stake your life on the gun being a toy or the person being a poor shot.
DeleteThat Democrat had a crowbar dotnet. You don't want to take a chance with those type of people.
DeleteAnd why in the world would you worry about a few holes in your walls? I'd worry about a hole in my head had I been that poor woman.
You can fix walls, heads are not quite so easy to repair.
Give it up dotnet. I don't try to tell you how to crunch numbers, so don't try to tell me about defensive scenarios and how to react to them. Comprende amigo?
Says the WSPD, FCSO volunteer reject...
DeleteAbandoning my no-gun comment pledge: the non-lethal weapons may or may not have helped. All that you mention, dotnet, should repel or incapacitate, unless the lady missed, say, with the 1-shot Taser. Better scenario might have been the nonlethal weapon first, with the .38 as a backup. But we don't know, not being there. As it is, mother and children are safe, and I really do not regret the holes punched in the slimeball who broke in.
DeleteI'm glad that woman shot that Democrat who was armed with a crowbar. That's what she should have done.
DeleteI don't know anybody who believes anything that Lance and/or Rielle Hunter says anyway.
Left over from yesterday re Pittsburgh: yes, OT, I was surprised at seeing Pittsburgh. Except for the inevitable rough neighborhood, the grime that I saw was limited to the blackened pilings of bridges that had been dismantled, left over from the coal-fired steel days. IIRC, a commentator (HL Mencken?) once described Pittsburgh as "Hell with the lid off." No more.
ReplyDeleteMy first view of Pittsburgh was not of bridge pilings, but of the downtown at night, as I emerged from a tunnel under Mt. Washington and looked straight at the downtown triangle and 3 Rivers Stadium, all lit up, a glorious sight.
I have never been to Milwaukee, would like to visit the place in warmer weather. My last employment required me to speak with folks in Milwaukee several times a day. And my current job puts me in touch with folks in Wisconsin frequently. They are generally as genial and polite a bunch as I encounter. I understand that Sprecher beer is a preferred offering in Milwaukee. I'll try it one day.
I'm surprised that someone has not come up with a female ugliness ratio as it relates to U.S. locales. When you get over there near those old coal mines, and steel mills, there are UgLy women inhabitants in those regions.
DeleteI went to Pittsburgh a number of times in the mid to late 1970s. To the little suburb of McKees Rocks, which was along the river after you wound down the hillside from the main road. Not an attractive place. I went again in the early 1990's and wow what a transformation! The city had cleaned up and really shined.
DeletePitt has a top-notch library science program. Not as good as UNC though :-).
DeleteMcKees Rocks was still sort of rough the last time I was in Pittsburgh, which has been too long ago.
DeletePittsburgh also has several outstanding private colleges and universities, including Carnegie Mellon University, one of the best in the country, Duquesne University, Robert Morris University and Washington and Jefferson College.
DeleteAnother surprise for me was the number of beautiful women. No city in the US can compete with New York on that count, but I'd put Pittsburgh in the top five.
I visited Pittsburgh once while in the UNC band to play at Three Rivers Stadium. Beautiful bridges, but the water in the rivers looked rather nasty. I do recall one young either baton twirler or flag girl (don't recall which) in the UPitt band whose looks provided an uplifting moment. We had a Heisman Trophy candidate at RB and they had one at QB who, IIRC, went on to win it and then proceeded to have a HOF career in the NFL and now provides commentary on the CBS NFL pre and post game shows. (We also faced a Maryland QB who's also on that same show...what's the deal with that?) We lost 7 - 6, then got pelted with cups and other trash from the drunk Pitt fans (they served alcohol which I didn't think was allowed in college games).
DeleteAs far as cities with the most beautiful women, Scottsdale and Charleston would have to rank up there based on pct. Chicago also had numerous beautiful women, but I was in a wealthy section, so it may be that like New York, the number may be high simply due to the sheer volume of people who live there as well as largely confined to the wealthier areas. You can't go anywhere in Scottsdale or Charleston without seeing a stunner.
I don't recall seeing booze sold at a Pitt game, but the only one I attended was at Pitt Stadium, atop Cardiac Hill. We brought in our own refreshments, sat in the end zone. Nearby, some other fans spent the game smoking pot.
DeletePitt does indeed have its share of stunners. I applied for a job in Scottsdale years ago, recall it being populated as dotnet reports. Yes, Charleston appears to be similarly blessed, at least the last time I was there.
Manhattan women...can't beat em. But like everything else in Manhattan, they're expensive as hell.
DeleteI found the same situation in Los Angeles.
DeleteMost Democratic women wouldn't even make good prostitutes, they'd starve to death.
DeleteAll you have to do is look at the difference between the women on Fox and CNN to know that.
DeleteShallow, shallower, shallowest...there must be a word for someone even shallower, but I can't think of it at the moment.
DeleteSusan is a registered Democrat.
DeleteThat's why I used a qualifier Stab.
DeleteLet's hope you can persuade her to switch. Republicans are always looking for good-looking women to join the ranks.
DeleteI wasn't talking about prostitutes, but leave it to you to go there. The Manhattan chicks I know have a certain level of worldliness...jewelry from Target won't cut it. Never been with one? It's your loss, believe me.
DeleteAnd yeah, if 2 inch thick makeup and bulletproof hair do it for you, then the Fox anchors are better looking.
They look better than those BDs on CNN, that's for sure.
DeleteTiny would be the one to go for artificial "TV beauty" over the real thing.
DeleteI know hundreds of women right here in W-S who would show the Fox "girls" up for what they are. Most of them have never used as much makeup in their lifetimes as the Fox Floozies use in a week.
Our silent member John has just commented on our watchdog media. He reports the lead stories on NBC and CBS this AM were about the disturbed Notre Dame football player and his late fantasy girlfriend.
ReplyDeleteThat particular story did make me feel better about my situation. At least I haven't reached the desperation stage of having a girlfriend who only exists in cyberspace...for the time being anyway. And, the dude's a freaking football player who came in 2nd in the Heisman! You'd think he could snap his fingers and get a girl without having to resort to an online fantasy.
DeleteMaybe he has poor interpersonal skills, or is just very shy. We always assume that people who are successful at one thing are successful in all things.
DeleteI have known quite a few gorgeous models who lived very lonely lives, because the men that approached them for dates were shallow, insufferable fools, while the guys that they would like to have gone out with were too intimidated by their beauty to even look at them directly.
My wife once fixed one of them up with this kind of geeky electrical engineering type...they've been married for about fifteen years and it's a little embarrassing being around them sometimes because of the still blazing intensity of their love affair.
I'm a geeky (well, actually more of a nerd than a geek) engineering type of the software variety who would not say no to being set up with a gorgeous model..particularly one with a college education :)
DeleteA former model worked for me in my CA days. She described a lifestyle unimaginable to prosaic me, high stakes tables in Las Vegas, spending vast transports of money. Then, she aged out, went bankrupt, ended up working in my department as an administrator (a good one). She wasn't really that good looking, tall, almost skinny, and not really that pretty, but I could imagine she could be made up for a runway.
DeleteYes, knew a few of them too. But most are surprised, having been lured by the glamor, to find themselves working 18 hour days, 7 days a week, a pace that would kill your average modern office worker, and glad to have the job.
DeleteIt was about dancers, not strictly models, but the depressing film "Showgirls" pretty much tells the story of some of those young women. Talk about exploitation.
One more from yesterday, re the enterprising outsourcer: Bob might want to go into biz for himself, then sub the work out as he has been doing.
ReplyDeleteHe might find that his former employers have beaten him to the punch. The work that was done in Bob's name apparently was good, and the price was obviously right. Mid-40s with a high salary history is not a good place to be. Bob may be in a spot of trouble. He's too young to be a WalMart greeter.
Being in Bob's field, age and salary aren't as big a stumbling block as they would be in other fields. There's a big demand for our skills, with few actually possessing them. Bob has forfeited any right to be called a nerd. The mental challenge is what makes it worthwhile, and he simply passed it along to be done by someone else.
DeleteGood afternoon folks!
ReplyDeleteSum it up: No. That was easy :) As Ms. Carroll notes, the money that would be spent on armed guards would be better spent on cameras on school buses. School shootings are still a very rare occurrence whereas cars running stopped school buses with the arm extended occurs every single day that school is open. It was disappointing but not surprising to see such a large percentage of responders promoting the worst solution of all: arming school personnel. They already have enough to worry about without adding the burden of safely securing a loaded gun in a school full of children. Had the Sandy Hook school personnel been armed, they most likely would be just as dead today and there would have been no change in the ensuing scenario.
Speaking of enterprising sorts, a married 58-yo MN lawyer had an affair with a divorce client, met frequently for sex, and billed her for his time while they were trysting. Apparently, he decided that he was endangering his marriage, thus his financial well being, so he ended the affair. His distraught inamorata attempted suicide.
ReplyDeleteFortunately, she failed in that effort. She also informed authorities, and the MN Bar Assn has given the lawyer the heave-ho. He may reapply for his license in 15 months. The story I read indicated that this lady may not be the only client he so billed for his services. Also, he was previously in hot water for buying cocaine from a client. No word on his current marital status.
The guy was moonlighting...he's strictly a collection agency...and the lady had been previously treated, even hospitalized, for mental problems stemming from previous abuse...
DeleteThis guy is such a class act he ought to run for Congress.
He needs a job. He should move to SC and challenge Mark Sanford for that open USHR seat.
DeleteReminds me of Keith Sharpe. That was a sad story.
DeleteKeith Sharpe…now there's a name that sets all kind of bells ringing.
DeleteHis father, R.Y. Sharpe, founded Pilot Freight Carriers in W-S in the early 40s and for many years drove one of his own trucks, hauling RJR cigarettes all over the country. After accumulating millions, he sold Pilot and bought "Diamond Jim" Lucas's mansion in Hiddenite, restored it and turned it into an education center and museum, the nationally known Hiddenite Center and Lucas Mansion Museum.
His partner in that venture was his wife, Eileen Lackey Sharpe, a stunning redhead who I came to know well. She grew up in Hiddenite and also helped to found the equally famous Hidden Crystal Inn and Conference Center. She was a bright, feisty woman, a philanthropist and political activist and a lot of fun to be around.
Keith's sister Lynn Sharpe Hill, has owned hotels and conference centers in several places, including Mexico. She is a first rate marketing woman and a very special facilitator for complicated projects. I was privileged to work for her and with her on several projects while I was in med school, including the Brookstown Inn near Old Salem and her own New Age conference center in Vienna…now that was a trip.
And Keith is a brilliant man and philanthropist who is still wondering how he got himself into the mess he got himself in vis a vis women clients. In fact, he wrote a novel in an attempt to figure out how he went so wrong and liked it so much that he has written several more.
He was one of the co-founders of St. Anne's Episcopal Church, the sort of church that all real Christians should aspire to belong to, which has played a major role in the founding of such key agencies as the Contact telephone ministry, the Experiment for Self Reliance, the ABCD nursery school for low income children and the Northwest Ministry for Child Development, which, among other things, operates the Mudpies day care centers, the latest of which is now under construction in the Piedmont Triad Research Park, scheduled for a fall opening.
I am not sure that the Sandy Hook and other events can be extrapolated into a hard and fast rule. A LEO in schools sounds like a good idea to me, if for no other reason than discipline problems in high and middle schools. However, Ms. Carroll's reference to laid off teachers makes a good point.
ReplyDeleteAs for passing stopped school buses, note my comments elsewhere about the lack of traffic enforcement, and the lack of severity when enforced. Loss of license is a penalty too infrequently applied.
Interesting to note that about 26 children die each year in school bus related accidents, about 7 on the buses and 19 trying to get on the bus. Another 5,000 are injured.
DeleteAbout 18 children die each year from high school football related injuries.
If we average the numbers killed in school shootings in the last 25 years, the number comes to fewer than 4 per year.
Tempest in a teapot?
By itself, perhaps, and a tool for an agenda. But those shootings are part of a much larger pathology, as discussed here in days past. You and I generally agree on that subject.
DeleteI suggest that we might apply the same reasoning to the carnage on our highways, with a minor in the spinelessness and indifference of pols in dealing with it.
I don't know why Rush cites all these stats without any references? He's about as credible as Lance Armstrong.
DeleteAll of my "facts" come from the NRA, except now and then a bit from Fox.
DeleteOkay, Lance.....and I bet you don't inhale either. You're pathetic!
DeleteI still feel like Tiger Woods playing a game of putt putt with some of you people.
DeleteBe careful that Elin isn't hanging around with a driver.
DeleteYes, that is one of my all-time favorite "sports" stories. Imagine the look on Tiger's face when Ellin started teaching him how to really swing a club. "Gotta get outta here, now!"
DeleteI do love it when Tiny once again reveals how totally ignorant he is about everything.
Don Clayton built the first Putt-Putt in Fayetteville in the early 1950s. The second was built at Thruway Shopping Center in W-S a couple of years later. Several of us ended up riding our bikes out there and working for the manager, Bill Kitchins when we were 12-13, polishing balls, sharpening pencils, whatever, for a few free games.
One of the first Putt-Putt tournaments was played there in the late 1950s. A left handed 18 year old Gray High School student named Don Posey won the professional division, I think several hundred dollars, a sum unimaginable to us. Since we all played high school sports, we had to compete in the amateur division, where three of us finished in the top five, competing against adults from about a 12 state region.
To promote his courses and his new tournament series, Clayton began setting up matches between Putt-Putters and top PGA pros. That didn't last long, because the PGA guys were way outclassed and completely embarrassed. In fact, one PGA guy sued Clayton to keep him from televising his match. If Tiger could putt as well as some of the Putt-Putt Hall of Famers, he would have won every tournament he ever played in.
When my life got too complicated for Putt-Putt, I shared the local course record, 25, with one of my friends and two adults. That is 11 holes in one and 7 twos. Today the international course record is shared by quite a few top putters at 18.
I'll bet, after a couple of Chick-faux-A sandwiches, Tiny could break 60.
NO MORE PEEKING:
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Now if we can just get some laws on the books concerning these gay bucks peeking in public showers and bathrooms, we'll be on our way to a more civilized and normal society.
Given the appearance of most folks, I suspect the TSA employees are very relieved.
DeleteMost assuredly, not the job for me. I would think Tiny would be perfect for the role.
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