Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Winston-Salem Journal LTE TU 01/22/13


Public permits
Nothing kills democracy as quickly or completely as secrecy. One only has to look at the history of countries that do not have a free press. Gun permits should not only remain public, they should be searchable (“Official: Gun permit info should be private,” Jan. 12).
PATRICIA IHRIG
Elkin
Ryan Wood
To see how well a community came together is a beautiful sight (“Family, friends lay student to rest,” Jan. 13) . But, unfortunately, it was done under such stressful and difficult circumstances.
Ryan Wood will be dearly missed by the entire community here at West Forsyth High School and beyond. He brought a diverse community together during one of the most difficult times that anyone could have anticipated and gave other people the courage to continue to fight their life-threatening battles as well. It is beyond unfortunate that Ryan had to leave us because of that.
I'm sure Ryan Wood will continue to make an impact on this community and this nation as he has so courageously done. May he rest in peace.
ALEX FLOCH
SENIOR, WEST FORSYTH HIGH SCHOOL
Clemmons
Solving the problem
One of the challenges in dealing with gun violence is explaining a reasoned position in an atmosphere of high emotion. Take my position on police officers in schools: I support the valuable School Resource Officer (SRO) program in our middle and high schools. If the Winston-Salem/Forsyth County school system decides that it's worth putting its scarce resources into expanding SROs into elementary schools, the city should and will work with it.
I only oppose pretending that this is the solution to gun violence. It would be like prescribing antibiotics to treat cancer. It makes the patient think you're taking action, but it doesn't solve the problem. The patient just keeps getting sicker.
Don't forget: There were armed guards at Columbine High, Virginia Tech and Fort Hood Army base. That did not prevent the mass shootings there.
In this case, the cancer is a flood of weapons of war on our streets, too many of which reach the hands of killers.
Yes, the problem of gun violence is complex. And yes, it would be a mistake to overly restrict responsible ownership of civilian hunting and home defense guns.
However, a nationwide ban on the sale of military-style assault weapons that have no legitimate civilian use is a needed part of treating the disease of gun violence. Like cutting out a malignant tumor, it won't be a complete cure, but it will help keep the patient alive while we work on the broader problem.
DAN BESSE
MEMBER, WINSTON-SALEM CITY COUNCIL
Winston-Salem
Amendment standards
I own .22-caliber rifles to protect my cattle from dogs and coyotes.
For those folks who claim the Second Amendment gives them the right to possess elephant-killing weapons that meet the standards of an amendment written in the 18th century, I suggest they be limited to the weapons that reflect the times: the blunderbuss, musketoon, harquebus, muzzleloader, and perhaps a Brown Bess.
DONALD CONRAD
Piney Creek
An insidious forgetfulness
The logical solution to preventing Newtown, Conn., tragedies is to reclaim our nation’s soul for the God of life and love. The subterfuge of eliminating school prayer brought with it an insidious forgetfulness that America was founded by principled men like John Adams who said, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.” Ending classroom prayer has weakened our children’s defenses against violence and immorality.
“Thou shalt not kill” is a positive commandment of life and love. Depriving an entire category of citizens, preborn children, of their unalienable right to life led to mass desensitization of the sublime mystery of life; we are each made in the life-giving, loving image of God.
In legalizing abortion, America dehumanized not only children in the womb, but every child at every age. Mother Teresa said, “What is taking place in America is a war against the child. If we accept that a mother can kill her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill each other?” and “Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what it wants.”
As America approaches the 40th anniversary of legalized abortion, in the wake of Newtown, may we have right reason and love enough to restore the father of life to family rooms, classrooms and courtrooms, and bring an end to the dehumanization of all of America’s and God’s children at every stage of life.
TONI BUCKLER
Clemmons
The real problem
What is the real problem? Before video games we had “Cowboys and Indians.” Violent movies have been around since there were movies. Mental illness, as well as weapons of some kind, have been around since there have been people. (Coincidence?) So, what is different - not only now, but here, in America?
The answer is, the broadcast media. Let’s look at what they do: They glorify the shooters, they promote the event and they set the bar for the next guy. Why? To increase ratings. Of course, they are never going to say this. They would much rather point out the problems than point within for a solution.
I’ve heard many people say that England does not have these killings because of its gun laws. I say it’s not the lack of guns, but the media that makes the difference. Try watching the BBC. It, as well as the America’s local newspapers, does something that we rarely see on television these days: It reports the news, and it does not sensationalize the story. No hype!
In our house, the assailants are referred to by what they were/are, “killer.” I don’t know nor care to ever know their names. We refuse to give them what they wanted: Fame.
TOM RAIF
Lewisville
Military suicides
This is in reference to the AP report of military suicides in the Jan. 15 Journal (“2012 military suicides hit a record high of 349”). I am a World War II veteran and have great concern over the stress experienced by our military personnel in combat. But it appears that the entire media is sensationalizing the new high of 349 suicides in 2012.
Your "Nation & World" editor has added fuel to this fire by editing the AP report. I do not know if it was because of a space limitation or a personal judgment call but in any event your readers were denied very pertinent information needed to put this number in perspective. Following is a small part of the omitted AP information:
"The Pentagon says that although the military suicide rate has been rising, it remains below that of the civilian population. It says the civilian suicide rate for males aged 17-60 was 25 per 100,000 in 2010, the latest year for which such statistics are available. That compares with the military's rate in 2012 of 17.5 per 100,000."
Although the military suicide rate is not excessive, each suicide is regrettable and every effort should be made to reduce this rate. This should be achievable in the controlled military environment.
I trust you see my point.
WALTER BEALL
Winston-Salem
Reducing murders
The letter “The dominant narrative” (Jan. 15) was useless. After the murder of 20 children and six adults, this condescending preacher thinks we need to discuss the need for people to follow his religion rather than gun control – as if following Christianity has ever reduced murder. This country was founded as much on the massacre of American Indians as on the Christian faith.
If only everyone had the same opinion the letter writer has. Well, here’s a shocker: If somehow he could guarantee that every citizen in the country sat through mandatory Christian lessons every week, that indoctrination would not turn everyone Christian. It would likely turn many against it.
Gun control is “the dominant narrative” because people have been killed by guns. Turning to religion and prayer is a distraction from the issue at hand. Prayer won’t stop one single bullet.
Pray tell, in what utopian Christian community has murder ever been done away with? At least we have direct evidence from other countries that gun control has actually reduced murders.
REBECCA MINOR
Winston-Salem

97 comments:

  1. Welcome Back GIGI!!!! We've all missed you.

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    1. <3 <3 BOB! <3 <3

      I'VE MISSED YOU.

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    2. Say hello to Bob if you see him. He's the best gay activist I know.

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    3. Welcome back Phargo...we've missed you too. Sorry to hear about the edema...take care.

      Delighted to hear about the piglets...hope to see pix soon...you realize that some of us are living the farm life vicariously through you.

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  2. Been rather busy, the owner left to go on a cruise Friday and the miniature pig had her litter on Saturday. Lol, I told him about a month ago that's exactly what was going to happen.

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    1. Wow, sounds like there's a big story under all this cruise and miniature pig talk! I have to work today, but will catch up with you later, I want to get the 411! <3 GG xx

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  3. An Atlanta man is suing the Georgia Department of Driver Services, contending that his rights were violated when the state rejected his application for vanity plates making reference to his sexual orientation

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/22/man-sues-after-georgia-rejects-application-for-gay-pride-license-plate/?test=latestnews#ixzz2IiGU1qSo
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    'Gay Pride' plates? Well, would the man have a problem with a plate that said 'White Pride', or 'Gun Owner Pride'. Absolutely, because he's probably a flaming liberal. Don't you think?

    This is a typical example of its okay for us to do it, but not for others by the liberal hate organizations.

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    1. Wonder what Chick-fil-A is serving up today? I think I'll head over there for lunch.

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  4. I wonder if Omar's wife will show up today?

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    1. That's the good thing about the middle of the week. Omar's ex-wife has to work.

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  5. I am OK. I did have to move things inside over the past week, not because it was cold in the carriage house, but because I was developing idiopathic edema in my legs from standing too long. Nothing serious, just have to stay off my feet more. In fact it's gone now for the most part.

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  6. Tiny’s endlessly irrelevant babble reminds me of a story told by William Byrd II in his “Secret Diary”.

    While surveying the border between Virginia and Carolina in November, 1728, he came upon a creek that was so turbulent and noisy that it reminded him of marriage, so he named it “Matrimony Creek”.

    Virginia historical highway marker A 57 on US 220 commemorates that event.

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  7. Good AM, folks!

    Daily gun comment. LTE writer above suggests that gun owners to be limited to the weapons of the day, which were the weapons also available to authorities. Technology has improved contemporary personal weapons, which are also available to authorities. Repeating weapons were unknown, if not unthought of, in that time, so we can't really say how the Framers would have regarded repeating weapons, one way or the other. So, we remain with the Living Document.

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    1. Sorry, second and last gun comment: gun permits and freedom of the press have no relationship. Much personal information is considered confidential, as should be gun permits. The press does not have an absolute right to whatever information that ax-grinding reporters and editors might want. If that were the case, then it could be argued that other confidential information should be accessible, health records, say. You never know, someone with a communicable disease might live nearby.

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    2. Well, we can figure that the framers would have been delighted to have a couple of M-60 LMGs to use against the British...would have shortened the war considerably. For that matter, just imagine what a single command and control helicopter would have meant at 1st Manassas.

      Gun permits are and should remain public record, but I don't think that it is a good idea to publish them either online or in a newspaper...a sort of guidebook for thieves.

      Gun permits vs health records = false analogy

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    3. Actually, the M60 is a GPMG.

      I do not think permits should be published, false analogy or no.

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    4. I'd like HIV records made public. The people that are walking around with that disease could pose a serious health risk if they engage in sex with other unknowning people.

      Those people probably kill as many people as guns do.

      And, infected individuals are extremely likely to be homosexuals. Not that it's a big deal or anything.

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    5. I was just throwing that last part out there in case anybody was curious.

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    6. "Those people probably kill as many people as guns do."

      The CDC estimates that about 5,000 people died of HIV related causes in 2012. Over 30,000 died by firearms.

      The reason that Tiny keeps on making his ridiculous claims was thoroughly discussed last night...so don't get mad at him for being so stubbornly stupid...his poor little mind is significantly deranged.

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    7. HIV was only discovered in the 80s. How many died before that? Plus, not all people are tested for HIV upon their deaths. So we really don't know the exact number of deaths due to HIV.

      Furthermore, homosexuals are particularly afflicted by the disease, so the numbers will keep increasing as we encourage that deviant form of sexual behavior through the potential sanctioning of gay marriage.

      So again, in Rush's rush to prove me wrong, he has made a fool of himself, again.

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    8. Did I say 'again'. I meant, again.

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    9. “…so the numbers will keep increasing as we encourage that deviant form of sexual behavior through the potential sanctioning of gay marriage. “

      Deaths from HIV/AIDS peaked at about 22,000 in 2007. Since then, the number of deaths has declined sharply, and will continue to decline, due to the introduction of several powerful drugs and courses of treatment.
      ___CDC

      As always, the Tiny One natters on, knowing nothing about anything.

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    10. CDC: 22 percent increase in new HIV infection rates among gay, bisexual men.

      http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2012/12/cdc-22-percent-increase-in-new-hiv-infection-rates-among-gay-bisexual-men/
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      Rush just loves to make a fool himself, doesn't he?

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    11. Look in the mirror, fool.

      Nobody said anything about the infection rate.

      It is deaths that is under discussion, and deaths will continue to drop because of the powerful new life saving medications.

      Once an ass, always an ass.

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  8. Interesting commentary by some from Red State, whatever that is. Folks may quarrel with some elements of the commentary, but the primary premise re Republican outrage and dearth of ideas is spot on, IMO. Herewith:

    Congratulating President Obama on his second inauguration, RedState’s Erick Erickson penned a piece on Tuesday that aimed criticism toward his fellow conservatives. His message: enough with the perpetual outrage.

    The president’s policies are destructive to the economy, Erickson asserted, but “I do not think the President means to do this maliciously. I do not think he is treasonous. I do not hate him. I am not outraged by it.”

    The outrage can instead be directed toward Republicans: While Obama is doing what he set out to do, Republicans are not. And speaking of outrage, could we perhaps have less of it?

    We have too many outrage pimps on both sides of the aisle whipping the respective bases into a frenzy and fury against the other side. I don’t have enough time or energy to be outraged about it all. There are things to be outraged by, but not everything, and certainly not with full energy dedicated to every perceived slight and grievance.

    What I am finding is that among conservatives there is too much outrage, piss, and vinegar. It makes our ideas less effective. We have become humorless, angry opponents of the President instead of happy warriors selling better ideas. We are not even selling ideas.

    No one wants to listen to conservatives as “professional victims,” always “bitching” and “whining” about Benghazi or the Fast and Furious scandal, Erickson contended. Yet conservatives do just that rather than effectively conveying the benefits of free markets and harm of big government. How, he asked, does that help the cause?

    “Be happy,” he advised. “And if you must be angry, don’t be angry at a President doing what he set out to do, be angry at a Republican Establishment not doing… well… much of anything.”

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    1. Almost feel like sending this to my SIL who posts a daily harangue of Obama on FB that makes it sound like Obama is personally trying to ruin her life. I've seen a couple of replies pointing out that her type of attitude is what drove them away from the R's which seems to back what Erickson is saying.

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    2. Almost 50% of the country is not pleased with Obama. The comments you hear are not the rare exception.

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    3. Actually, the president has a plus 10.4 approval rating. Congress is at minus 64.1.

      At this stage in his presidency, W. Bush was at minus 4 headed for his final rating of minus 36.

      As always, Tiny just prefers lies to truth. the comments that we hear are the whines of Chicken Little.

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    4. Twisted, incomparable, statistical data that is irrelevant to my comment.

      I had the grilled Chick fil A today. It was quite tasty. I even used the bathroom while there, and the partition didn't come crashing down on me either.

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    5. Sorry, Ducky, but irrelevant is the word that applies to every one of your little lies...being a nut case is not an excuse for lying.

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    6. Your demented mind wouldn't know what the word 'relevant' meant if it came sneeking up your culo.

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    7. Tiny does love that part of the anatomy, doesn't he? Dreams about it, no doubt.

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  9. Good afternoon folks! I thought I heard rumors of a sighting of our beloved GG. See this morning that those rumors have been confirmed :)
    LTE 1: Aside from us being a republic as opposed to a democracy, that fine line between right to privacy and "the public's right to know" can be quite tricky to navigate. Arthur may have some further insight as to the limits the law recognizes, but I can see valid points from both sides on whether gun permits should be public. Of course, the average person most likely does not know (or care for that matter) what exactly is public knowledge or not much less how to obtain that information even in the age of Google, so having the gun permits being of public record may not make much of a diffrence. BTW...a public record contained in a database would by default be searchable.

    LTE 2: A nice tribute. Seeing a classmate/friend struggle with a terminal illness at such a young age puts a lot into perspective. It was quite moving seeing so many young people who are normally rivals come together to support Ryan.

    LTE 3: This LTE exemplifies why Mr. Besse would get my vote if I lived within the W-S city limits. The issue of guns is indeed highly emotional for something that is "just a tool", however Mr. Besse as well as the other legislatures have no choice but to deal with the issue. This is probably the most reasonable and sensible gun letter I have seen to date. Mr. Besse recognizes the complexity as well as the limitations that exist in any gun legislation. There is no fast or simple solution to the gun violence.

    LTE 4: The Founders did recognize that technological and societal changes would take place which is why the Constitution was created largely as a blue print as opposed to exact instructions to allow succeeding generations to interpret on their own. For instance, we have "freedom of speech" as opposed to "freedom of oral and written speech" (which is all that existed in the 18th century) thereby leaving the definition of speech up to each generational court to decide. In my mind, the "original intent" of the Constitution was to be a "living document". I get the gist of Mr. Conrad's argument, but reality states that the 2nd also covers weapons that exist within each generation.

    LTE 5: Theology and abortion--have your say, Ms. Buckler, but you're either preaching to the choir or being totally dismissed. In either case, no minds are being changed.

    LTE 6: Another search of a simple solution. The broadcast media isn't the only difference. The mentally ill who commit mass murder are driven by their own inner demons and couldn't care less about fame as evidenced by the usual ending of suicide. People who seek fame generally want to hang around to enjoy their time in the limelight.

    LTE 7: I'm sure space was an issue in printing the story, but omitting pertinent facts does make quite a difference in the story's accuracy.

    LTE 8: Falls under the "every carpenter sees the hammer and nail as the solution to every problem" syndrome. It is not surprising that a preacher would see following his faith as the answer to every problem. People either buy into it or not. Ms. Minor apparently does not.

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    1. Hi Dotnet! Great to read you again! Have you considered a run for congress? 4 real? Hope you're doing well! <3 GG

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    2. I'm just hoping Ant'y Weiner doesn't run again.

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    3. Bucky just wanted to write the word "weiner".

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  10. dotnet LTE1, beside you can't a trust a liberal with that kind of information anyway. They'll abuse it, and start harassing law abiding gun owners. In that same topic, Florida has passed a law which forbids the release of gun records.

    Also, in Florida, a lot of Democrats get killed by guns. Of course, they're robbing banks, 7 Elevens, breaking into houses, raping and killing people, and a bunch of other things they shouldn't be doing too.

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  11. Since Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law went into effect, 119 people have killed other people, claimed self defense, and gotten off. Of those,

    • Nearly 60 percent had been arrested at least once before the day they killed someone.

    • More than 30 had been accused of violent crimes, including assault, battery or robbery. Dozens had drug offenses on their records.

    • Killers have successfully invoked stand your ground even after repeated run-ins with the law. Forty percent had three arrests or more. Dozens had at least four arrests.

    • More than a third of the defendants had previously been in trouble for threatening someone with a gun or illegally carrying a weapon.

    • In dozens of cases, both the defendant and the victim had criminal records, sometimes related to long-running feuds or criminal enterprises.

    In all, those people have been arrested 327 times in incidents involving violence, property crimes, drugs, weapons or probation violations. That does not include more than 100 traffic violations and other minor arrests not considered in the analysis.
    ___Tampa Bay Times, July, 2012

    Oops...did someone screw up? You bet they did!

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    1. A lot of crime, committing Democrats are no longer with us too because of the 'Stand your Ground Law' in Florida. They should nationalize that law, there would be a lot less crime if they did.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAUFuTKdWAw

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    2. The 119 people referred to above are the total number of "Stand Your Ground" cases through July, 2012.

      So what it amounts to is thugs shooting thugs, which was already going on before "Stand Your Ground".

      Stupid is as stupid does.

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  12. Irrelevant subjects so far today, courtesy of Senora Tiny:

    Georgia license plates
    Chick-faux-A
    Omar’s wife
    Omar's ex-wife
    HIV deaths
    Obama’s approval rating
    Culos
    Something about Florida
    Some other nonsense beyond identity
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    In several cases, he introduced “facts”, all of which, of course, turned out not to be facts.

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    1. Hi OT,

      Have you guys thought about ignoring his comments, every time, 100%? If no one reads and comments, no matter how thoroughly obnoxious, would he stop? I don't know. Just a thought.

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    2. Thanks gg. I've tried to get the posters in here to ignore Rush. But they continue to make all kinds of remarks in support of him. I guess they're just not very well read, or they're just plain ignorant. I'm not quite sure.

      Thanks for the suggestion though.

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    3. Hello everybody! Omar's ex wife is in da HOUSE!

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    4. GG, in a strange sort of way I have grown to almost appreciate Bucky's contorted, banal and repetitive comments. Bob has told me he would like to meet Bucky.

      I am serious about the barbecue invitation, and Bob has even offered on the blog to meet Bucky at a Chick-fil-A the next time he is in Winston Salem.

      I would like to meet you too. This DC moving experience is coming to fruition pretty quickly. I think what ever we do this weekend will be up there and back with little time for other things, but I would love to meet you and have coffee sometime. I'm sure I will visit frequently as I am helping with the credit references required for this endeavor as well as the initial intent to rent fee which is astonishing by Winston Salem standards.

      I have met Bob, Stab, Dotnet and Whitewall. I would love to have your contact information in DC. You can email it to me a Wordly_1@yahoo.com and I'll send you mine.

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    5. Hi Wordly,

      Maybe this forum will be the first internet-based equivalent of the Stockholm syndrome or something! Ha... (Isn't that the one where captives start to be protective of their captors?)

      Wow, I didn't realize you'd be in DC so quickly! Good luck with the move, please let me know if I can be of assistance.

      I'm always amazed at the young, ambitious people who move here. I know of many examples who seem to do very well, very quickly. The barriers to entry seem high, but the opportunities are bountiful once here. It's a big, dynamic city with southern charm. <3

      Will email you now.

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    6. D.C. is a lot of fun. What I like about it is: There are a lot of hot single girls there.

      What I don't like about it is: There are also a bunch of Sandra Flukes.

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    7. Trying to imagine Tiny with those "hot single girls".

      Ha to the nth power!

      What he means when he uses that term is unclear...don't know if he means female hookers or rentboys...maybe both?

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    8. As gg says, the opportunities are bountiful. One of my sons and a number of his lifelong friends descended on DC after they finished grad school. Watching them in action, you would have thought that Washington, and especially Georgetown, was their own private turf. What fun they had.

      Today they are scattered all over the world, every one involved in some meaningful pursuit. Well, there is one who would have to kill you if she told you what she does, so we're not sure about her.

      They still manage a big get together every year or so in the District. Great bunch of Americans.

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    9. He talks about "hot single girls" as awkwardly as I talk about guns.

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    10. I'm constantly amazed at the brainpower and ambition that lingers around here.

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  13. Guns.

    Mr. Besse's note is one of the better I've seen written on the subject. Indeed, this is not a problem that will go away overnight, and guns are such a peculiar yet ingrained component of our culture that it will take either generations or some revolutionary new invention to make them insignificant and uncontroversial.

    But military grade assault weapons? Come on. Let's ban them. This is a compromise any rational person can make.

    There were always three things I was challenged on as a representative of American culture when I lived in Europe: 1) the death penalty; 2) our perceived lack of understanding of the world outside our borders; and 3) G U N S.

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    1. Interesting that the ones who vehemently oppose abortions, vehemently oppose a ban on assault weapons. You know, the ones very similar to military weapons?

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    2. Mr. Besse means well, like many liberals. He's just ignorant on a lot issues. AR-15s (referred to by liberals as assault weapons) have a large usage by hunters in N.C. and around the country. They are used by hunters and sportsmen to hunt coyotes and hogs primarily. Both species have become a nusiance in most areas. The AR is also used to hunt deer where legal.

      ARs are also used by target shooters in different shooting contests.

      High capacity magazines, as they known in the gun savvy and educated world, are being used in hunting scenarios where more than one varmint or game animal is encountered.

      Furthermore, in most defensive situations there is no way to know exactly how many rounds it will take to protect you and your family, so having more rounds available is tactically prudent.

      It's really quite pathetic that the ignorant liberals of the world try to tell people that more about guns than they'll ever know, what they need.

      Most intelligent people realize at some point in their lives that other people may know more than they do about certain topics. Sadly, a liberal never admits this. It's just not in their DNA. They will ride this country down like the Titanic before they'll ever wake up reality. That's why you see places like California in utter disarray.

      Banning assault weapons? If we really wanted to make our world better, we'd ban liberals. That type of action would be more beneficial to the future of our country.

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    3. I don't hunt, but I will be damned if I would go up against a boar with a .223 round. Maybe the 7.62x39 from the AK, if I had to use a contemporary military rifle. But if I were using a military rifle, I believe I'd tote a Garand M1, which punches about twice as hard as the AK. Also, game wardens aren't fond of those high-capacity mags. Hunters will use 5-shot mags. But, I'll leave the pigs and coyotes alone. Live and let live.

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    4. For real, LaSombra -

      They want to control my uterus;
      They want to make my kids pray in school;
      They want to impose their (divergent) religious beliefs on me by making the government religious.

      Even though my personal beliefs, prayer and uterus will never, ever hurt them.

      Yet, we are not allowed to keep their death machines off the street.

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    5. Not many states permit deer hunting with the .223 or any other .224-caliber round.

      In spite of their names, almost all .22-cal bullets are actually .224 inches in diameter. There is a bit of game playing with bullet sizes. A .38 bullet for example is a actually .357 inches in diameter--a .357 Magnum cartridge is just a stretched .38 case (to keep it from fitting in .38 revolvers) with more potent propellant and more of propellant quantity. Dirty Harry's .44 Magnum is actually .429 caliber. A .50-cal bullet is .511 inches, and so on.

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    6. The Supreme Court has already ruled that women are entitled to have an abortion if they want. If you're stupid enough to believe that the Rs can control your uterus, you deserve to be a Democrat.

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    7. Hi GG, we drive death machines every day, which actually knock off more people than guns. Both sets of body counts need to be heavily reduced. I think the concept of gun violence as a pathology might be applied to traffic carnage as well.

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    8. Farmers have been killing domestic hogs for over a hundred years with a .22LR. A .223 can easily dispatch a wild hog when properly shot. Some major gun manufacturers make ammo for the .223 especially for hog hunting..

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    9. Mr. G's friend (who lives in a nice house on a major street adjacent to the Beltway) decided that his family is enough of a target that he grudgingly elected to purchase a handgun. He apparently just got a small one (don't know what kind, could it be a baretta? Maybe a .357 something?), and Mr G went to 2 of the shooting lessons with his friend. The first lesson Mr G just watched. The second lesson Mr G nervously shot the gun. Once fired, he immediately handed the gun to the instructor, walked from the range area and waited patiently for his friend. We upgraded our home alarm system on Monday. He said "there's NO WAY I'm buying a gun." I was proud of him for being open to trying. Just to know for sure. Now he's really opposed to military grade weapons available to the public.

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    10. Hi Dear Staballoy!

      I don't disagree with you at all. As a matter of fact, my state has implemented a phased-in drivers license program, that only allows 18-year olds to have full driving priviledges. I think it's a great program.

      I get really nervous every time I take a road trip, so much so that I'm starting to struggle to drive over bridges. I LOVE DRIVING, but the aggressiveness has gotten too much.

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    11. (Or maybe I'm just getting old.) :-{

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    12. Aggressiveness can be a good thing. So long as you know what you're doing.

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    13. Of course, the problem is that last part, which Tiny has no idea about. His most aggressive moment was one time when his mother told him to go back to the basement and he stuck out his lower lip at her, of course, only after having safely turned his back.

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    14. Drivers are less skilled and more distracted than ever.

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    15. I've been rear-ended twice at the same intersection in the past 2 years, by texting drivers.

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    16. Vehicle sound systems are culprits as well, drivers operate their entertainment systems. And there is smoking, liquid consumption (not just booze, but ubiquitous bottled drinks, eating, reading, and yes, "smart" phone operation. The self-guided car is under development. Good thing, since self-guided drivers are disappearing.

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    17. Well said, I'm cracking up!

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    18. The licensing procedure for driving, and especially the renewal procedure, are a joke. Despite the universal requirement in most states for driver education in the public schools, the average new driver has no idea what they are doing.

      I will use myself as an example...I do not own a car nor do I drive very often, even though I used to race sports cars and do a little drag racing. When I go to get my "privilege" renewed, they give me a test that is supposed to certify both my knowledge of road signs and my visual acuity.

      The road sign part is a joke. I have 20-200 vision in one eye and 20-300 in the other, but I always ask the examiner if I can try the test without my glasses, then retake it with glasses should I fail. They always say "Sure." I have never failed the test flying blind. Imagine how many others are out there who could not see an M1A2 Abrams at fifty feet.

      And of course, as Stab points out, there are those who are "distracted" by all their gizmos, not to mention the ones who are racing to "important" meetings at Wal*Mart or Chick-faux-A, who would run down their mothers to beat a light.

      As a habitual pedestrian, I continue our old Boy Scout motto, "Be Prepared", to the tenth power. Sometimes they'll even come up on the sidewalk after you.

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  14. Wouldn't I just love to see Tiny go up against a wild boar with a pop gun! He's never hunted anything more dangerous than a Chick-faux-A in his life.

    Yes, gg, ignoring the troll has been tried. I will never forget the memorable day that he spent chatting merrily with himself, about 35 posts in all, with nary a reply.

    But as you can see from the sequence directly above, he has no manners or sense of propriety, so will simply butt into anyone's conversation with his mindless rants, in this case posturing as a gun expert. Of course, everything that he posted about guns he dredged up from one of his crackpot gun sites and actually has no idea what the difference between .223 and .357 means.

    For those of us who spent some time on the range at Pendleton with Marine instructors learning to disassemble, clean, reassemble and shoot the M-1911A1 .45 service pistol, the Ithaca 37, pump-action shotgun, the M1 Garand, it's successor the M-14, M-16, BAR, M-60 LMG, Browning M2 .50 cal. HMG, M-79 grenade launcher and some assorted curiosities, including the AK-47 and a couple of light mortars, his comments are laughable.

    As it turned out, we actually used in Viet Nam the M-1911A1, the M-16, the M-60 LMG and M-79, which were in all our defensive "machine gun" towers, along with an assortment of hand grenades...our river patrol boats were equipped with two M2s, one M-60 and one M-79 plus whatever small arms we had at hand...to each his own was the rule.

    I would agree with Stab that for hunting potentially dangerous game such as wild pigs, which sometimes do not like being shot at, you can hardly beat the old Garand M1, which at its original .30-06 caliber has significant stopping power and an effective range of around 400 meters.

    It uses an eight round internal clip and is one of the most reliable semi-automatic weapons ever made.

    I wouldn't say that you are getting old, but Tiny certainly is.

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    1. I own an M1, haven't fired it in 20 years. It's just pleasing to have the the old warhorse. It looks like a "real rifle."

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    2. Indeed...the real thing.

      I say that I do not "own" any firearms, which is true. But I have a very large safe deposit box which contains firearms, held in trust for relatives.

      Among them is an M1, which was reputedly carried by one of my uncles who was killed in Italy in 1944, so held in trust for his descendants.

      Haven't even seen it in years. Maybe ought to drop by and have a look to make sure it's still there.

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  15. OT,

    What are those big guns that sit in the open doors of Hueys called? During Viet Nam?

    I really don't know what's wrong with him. Is everyone 100% sure his identity is as discussed?

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    1. Those were usually M60 machine guns, which my cuz calls LMG's, and I call GPMG's. it was the standard infantry machine gun of the day, fired about 9 shouts per second. Later in the war, some aircraft, including Hueys, mounted Miniguns, electrically driven Gatling guns that fired 50 shots per second.

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    2. Ah, that sounds right. What do LMG and GPMG stand for?

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    3. Light Machine Gun and General Purpose Machine Gun. The M60 was a GPMG that was employed as a squad automatic weapon in VN, in the LMG role, but it is heavy and unsuited for the job. After the war it was replaced in the squad role by a lighter weapon firing M16 ammo, and in the GPMG role by a Belgian-designed MG, which is excellent.

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    4. Wow, that is opening a can of worms!

      The Huey was originally the Bell UH-1 Iriquois, a name used only in official documents. It has probably appeared in more models and configurations than any other military helicopter in history, and is still the mainstay of many military forces around the world.

      The one you are referring to is probably the original "gunship" platform, which our local cowboys, Light Attack Helicopter Squadron 3 (HAL-3), nicknamed "Bountyhunters", used. Those mounted two M60 LMGs on swivel mounts, one starboard, one port. Deadly little devils.

      But our tiny airfield, squeezed in between the Army's huge Can Tho airfield and the Binh Thuy Air Force Base, was a laboratory of innovation. We got the first Huey Cobras, a derivation of the Huey, which mounted a variety of early mini guns and rocket tubes. We also got the first OV-10 Broncos, short takeoff and landing twin engined observation/attack aircraft. Our boys, Light Attack Squadron 4 (VAL-4), the Black Ponies, had a mini gun in a remote controlled turret under the nose and rocket tubes and machine guns and even a couple outfitted with 20 mm cannon.

      We also got the first Harrier jump-jets, flown and maintained by Marines, so there were some interesting fistfights in the various clubs until we all figured out that we were supposed to be on the same side.

      There are so many variations of the Huey that it would take a pretty thick book to catalog them all. The 29th MEDEVAC unit nest door to us had Hueys designed to recover wounded from the battlefield and fly them quickly to their trauma center. Two litters internal, more if you piled them on top of each other in a pinch, and two more external. Our neighboring 9th Infantry Division had versions called "slicks" (no guns) which could carry a dozen or so infantrymen for insertion at a critical point.

      Stab, our Marine instructors called the M60 "light machine guns" because that was their designation at the time. Of course, that was seen as a joke, because they were anything but light...ask any grunt who had to lug one through the rice paddies. In fact, in those days the Army treated them as crew served weapons, and the standard crew was three, one to lug the gun and two more to carry enough ammo to make it worth having the gun in the first place.

      One of the best laughs I ever had was upon seeing a poster for the movie "The Green Berets", which showed John Wayne firing two M60s from the hip...good luck on that.

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    5. Yes, that was about 25# plus ammunition on each side, good luck indeed. Schwarzenegger 1-handed an M60 in one of his movies, just like in real life.

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    6. May I ask what year you were in viet nam?

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    7. Arrived in Saigon December, 1967. Arrived in the South Delta, January, 1968, just in time for Tet. That was fun.

      Originally assigned to support the first Navy SEAL team in that area, I believe SEAL Team Alpha, Detachment Golf. I was in no way a SEAL...in fact, had a brief exposure to SEAL training in boot camp and discovered in less than four hours that I could never in any way make it through SEAL training, although I am proud to say that I was one of three of sixty boots who passed the swim test, a sort of combination of water boarding while swimming in a freezer. Dumb determination ruled that day.

      Performed a number of duties for Navy Task Force 116, the Brown Water Navy. Injured when I fell out of a helicopter which was trying to avoid ground machine gun fire...no Purple Heart, but evacuated to Japan for three months.

      Upon return, told that my three months in Japan would not count toward my tour, so remained in country until spring, 1969. Ironically, my replacement was my old friend Fam, who had arrived in Saigon in December, 1968, and in a bizarre series of events, had also been the support guy for the same SEAL team until they parted ways over a defintion of war crimes.

      Glad to get home alive. Did not kiss the ground at Travis, but probably should have. All time favorite song: "We've Gotta Get Outta This Place, If It's The Last Thing We Ever Do". Eric Burdon and the Animals...yeah.

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    8. Wow, OT. Thanks for your service. My dad was there in early 66 - late 67. I was born Nov 68.

      He says it was a special kind of hell. He operated the gun in the door of a huey, the MOS for which the average life expectancy is 22 seconds in combat. He has two purple hearts, but I only recently learned about the second one. Most people are stunned to know he's a vietnam vet, but as he gets older and his testosterone naturally wanes, he has more and more difficulty reconciling what he had to do with his religious convictions.

      Did you do two tours? My dad was in the army and did two, which I believe were a year each. His father signed him up for the second one without him knowing.

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    9. I've read about your friend Fam a few times now... does he live in WS also? My dad lost his bff during the wall, when I was in high school we came to see his name on the wall. THAT was a sad day, and a day I knew my dad was in a crappy situation. He has another close friend who lives out west, they've spent some time together over the past few years, I think it's cathartic for my dad to have someone to talk to who understands. We listen but don't really, deeply understand. You know?

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  16. The handgun that Mr. G encountered sounds like a Beretta M9, the standard sidearm for our military, and popular with law enforcement and private citizens. It is a 9mm pistol with a capacity of 15 rounds. I'm not fond of it. It isn't particularly durable, though it doesn't jam often, which can be a problem with semi-autos. The popular 9mm cartridge is intermediate in power between a .38 and the .45.

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    1. Wow, Staballoy, I think you're right! It sounds right.

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  17. Ah, but Mr. G just told me he considered the M9 seriously but wound up going with a Glock 17. Not sure if I spelled that correctly.

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    1. The Glock is superior to the M9, IMO. I prefer Colt's .45 M1911 or Browning's M1935 9mm, but that is simply personal preference, not a quality indication v. The Glock.

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    2. He will be happy to know you said this. He knew absolutely nothing about guns before buying one. I'm just glad he is taking the lessons and precautions very seriously.... as I am godmother to his son, and his son is v-e-r-y hyperactive and I don't necessarily want to raise him! Safety first.

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    3. By the way, Staballoy, Mr G just sent his regards and a "mazel tov" on your marriage to Mrs. S!

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  18. My thanks and mazel tov in return to you both. I am really glad to hear from you both :)

    Susan would send hers but she sleeps. School kids transmit viruses :(

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    1. I hope she has avoided the horrible flu that's going around!

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    2. My sympathy to Susan. I hope this is not the awful thing that has been going around.

      Libraries are also great incubators...my friend Fam got it from his colleagues and was in bed for four days...despite heroic efforts on his part, he seems to have passed it on to me...I think I am in the middle of the process, which seems to last for as much as month, at least according to several friends who have had it too.

      Still, just waking up alive each morning is as good as it gets.

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    3. Thank you. Susan has a cold. I had that flu last month, caught it the day I rode my motorcycle to work and shivered and froze going home.

      Yes, waking up gets better each day.

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