Thursday, August 25, 2011

Winston-Salem Journal LTE's TH 08/25/11

Good AM, folks! I see we have both sides of the spectrum represented today, with pronouncements by Peter T. Wilson and Boon T. Lee.

The forecast high today is 90. Counting today, there are 37 days until October.

While we ponder the wisdom printed in the Journal today, the earthquake-ravaged area of the US continues to dig out (apologies to Sharon for this one :)






And now, the LTE's:


'What if?'
What if? How many families are asking themselves this question? I am writing in response to Scott Sexton's column, "A What-if of crime and time" (Aug. 16), about James Leonard Hungerford, 35, who died of a drug overdose after being denied access to drug rehabilitation by Judge Todd Burke at the request of prosecutor Patrick Weede.

Are prosecutors and judges required to be educated about drug addiction? Common sense tells me that it takes much more courage, dedication and hard work to complete 24 months of drug rehabilitation than it does to sit in prison doing nothing for six months. What if James had been a member of the Burke family or the Weede family? I think we all know the answer to that question.

SUSAN CACCAVELLA
Winston-Salem

Real hope for change
It's over, children (Democrats); the golden goose (other people's money) is dead. All the class warfare and blaming the messenger — i.e. Standard & Poor's, the tea party — won't alter the coming political and economic sea change.

Without the ability to bribe their disparate factions, the Democrats will find it very difficult to sell a common message. A good example is the turmoil within Big Labor now because of President Obama's inability to deliver "card check" legislation. Another is the disarray among the "greenies" because of no "cap-and-trade" law — yet. Even in a severe recession, liberals are hard-wired to tax, spend and regulate. Therefore, it will be impossible for them to reduce the national debt and create private-sector jobs.

My guess is that Obama's "September plan" and the congressional "supercommittee" will be dismal failures. Nov. 6, 2012, is our only real hope for change. The "Chicago mafia" and their Senate enablers must be defeated.

PETER T. WILSON
Winston-Salem

Sum It Up:
The Sum It Up question from Sunday was: Are we better off than we were in January 2009?




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President Obama has accomplished a lot. He inherited a lot. He was accomplishing good things for all people, until reality hit some people that here is a black man as president. Then everything he tried to do for the good of all people went downhill. With all he has to face, working with both parties I feel will make him stronger.

ELIZABETH R. ERVIN




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Memories of nightmares fade so fast! We were losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a week. The banks (Wachovia) and the generals (General Motors) were dying. The Republican candidate for president suspended his campaign and rushed to Washington to fix it, and ended up sitting in the back of the room nodding cluelessly while those who knew more trembled in fear of what new chaos the next hour would bring.

The crisis eased, and we thought we'd be back to partying like it's 1999 by now. We aren't. It is better, but still very bad. It won't get good enough until the tea-sipping elephant sits down with the donkey and they learn how to get re-elected and govern at the same time. And the solutions will be solutions that make it possible for those of us in the vast but dying middle to move forward.

Prosperity was a shared happiness when Henry Ford got rich by paying his workers enough to buy one of his cars. We need a Henry Ford for this century.

STEVE SCROGGIN




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I don't know if our country is better off than it was when President Obama took office in January 2009, but it certainly is no worse off. President Obama inherited two wars and the largest deficit in the history of our nation. Now, magically, it's supposed to get better with the Republican and tea-party Congress blaming him and fighting him on every measure to attempt to get our country on track again. Case in point this week: Republicans not wanting to extend the payroll tax cuts that would benefit the average working Joe in his weekly paycheck, but by all means fight tooth and nail for extending the Bush era tax cuts for the wealthiest. Despicable.

SUZANNE A. CARROLL




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The simple answer is yes and no.

Economically speaking, the nation has been recovering from the recession but slowly and painfully. It benefits only Wall Street and big corporations. They rake in record profits, and their CEOs earn astronomically huge bonuses, but it does little for the working middle class. They either find themselves unemployed or their income stagnated.

Politically speaking, the federal government (the Congress and the executive branch) is brought down to its knees by the radical right and becomes completely dysfunctional.

BOON T. LEE




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Yes. We're two and a half years further away from the Bush administration.

KAM BENFIELD




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A definite "no" as far as the condition of our country since the presidential change in 2008. We have slipped in status internally and externally.

LOUIS JONES

67 comments:

  1. LTE1: In hindsight, it would have been better, perhaps, had Hungerford received treatment. What would have been better would have been if he had not ever used drugs.

    LTE2: I wish Big Labor was in turmoil, but, President Obama is using the NLRB to furtively institute card check, without benefit of legislation.

    Sum It Up
    Ervin: This respondent plays the race card, a red herring in this instance.

    Scroggin: Automobile assembly workers can still afford to buy cars. The basic line workers are no longer costing an excessive $70/hour in compensation, which came out of consumers' pockets. Total compensation is now around $39/hour now that the market determines it rather than rapacioius union moguls and short-sighted car execs.

    Lee: Both left and right are culpable in the state of our Federal government.

    Benfield: Ideally, we are under 1.5 years from showing the door to President Obama and his union patrons the door. That's assuming the R's nominate someone other than a cartoon character to run for the office.

    Jones: I agree with his assessment of our condition, but would caution against piling too much blame on the occupant of the WH. The culpability extends far and wide. As OK Sen. Coburn recently said, "I don't think Presidents matter that much." Mind you, he said "that much." He didn't say they matter not at all.

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  2. Deb Phillips · Top Commenter · Works at New Media Communications • Graphics • Photography
    Bob, I would like to have seen certain other participants in yesterday's LTE Forum Branch Office bring their pointed comments here, as a matter of integrity, a quality that's conspicuously lacking in the far-flung LTE Forum Branch Office! :-)

    I told Deb I would relay her sentiments.

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  3. Somehow today I feel quite shot down as my middle initial is not "T". White T Wall....needs work.

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  4. Stab....Sharon can be assured that heavy equipment will save that chair. Also, leaks in overhead plaster can be very unforgiving with no warning.

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  5. for sure, I had a 6ft diameter of plaster ceiling, plaster, fall into the middle of my bed once, luckily I wasn't in it

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  6. Bob..That is what I mean. People don't realize how heavy plaster is. You were lucky.

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  7. :), WW, I'm the most fortunate, lucky man I know.

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  9. Good AM, Bob and WW!

    I deleted the above comment because I made an impolitic remark that served no useful purpose.

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  10. It looks like Deb Phillips is the only conservative voice that is permitted to post in the LTE's facebook section. They've driven away most of the conservative commenters. Precisely what the Journal wanted to do, in my opinion.

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  11. Harvey Pulliam, watchawg, still posts there, Jack Little, Carolyn Owen, Joseph Es,

    Having to post using a real name has driven away most of the conservative commenters for sure. But then again, one can open a facebook page using a pseudonym, just ask Buck Jones.

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  12. So looks like Deb is NOT the only conservative, at least for those of us who look closely and see not just what we want to see but what's actually there.

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  13. but who could blame our good friend, DChunter, his last name is Frank, lol, such poetic justice.

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  14. Bobby....I know how you like to nit pick. I'll change that comment to 'one of the few conservatives'.

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  15. If the truth is nit picking, then so be it.

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  16. truth is, there are very few people posting there now, period. I recall some saying that with the new facebook platform that the nasty ole liberals would stop posting because they would have to reveal themselves. lol, they drove you away, so it's worth any other losses. Knucklehead, ;)

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  17. peter T wilson has some good points as far as he went. Yes there will be a political and economic sea change soon, but it will be timid compared to the one yet to come.

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  18. Steve Scroggin...our problems have not gone away, they have been repositioned and covered over. Your solution sounds good but is not politically sellable to a public that will not accept it--yet.

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  19. boon T lee...the Federal Government is not being dragged down by the "radical right wing". It is dragged down by the current school of economic thought gripping America and the developed world: the economics of denial. It started in the summer of 2008.

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  20. I have invited Jack Little to post here, no response. I have not invited Harvey Pulliam.

    Good AM, Bucky: I lean generally right, but do not let some Limbaugh set of BS "Conservative Principles" interfere with what's reasonable, feasible, and good. I also do not believe Conservative Principles can change physical laws of the universe, thus I do seek commentary from from some. There is a difference between real conservatives and cracked pots.

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  21. Good news.......most pollsters project that the idiotization of America will not work in North Carolina in 2012. In short, North Carolina will unlikely be carried by Obama in the upcoming election. YESSSSSSSSSSS!

    Stab, speaking of cracked pots, no generally right leaning person would ever advocate the legalization of drugs, especially when our health care system is in such disarray.

    On another note, I'm not sure how conservatives are trying to change the physical laws of the universe. I assume you will tell me at some point in the future. That should be an interesting dissertation. I eagerly await your foolish attempt to justify that statement.

    The Washington Monument is cracked. That seems errily symbolic of what is happening to our nation as whole.

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  22. I did, however, like your 'quit stalling and get back on topic' comment. That was a good one.

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  23. Thank you Bucky for the "stalling" compliment.

    As for cracked pots, I don't believe it is cracked pottery to acknowledge a failed policy and leave it to adult individuals to decide about drug usage. The carnage on our southern border would pretty much end if drugs were legally sold (and taxed). Other countries have legalized drugs, and their skies have not fallen. And the decision is left to the individual, for whom Conservative Principles are allegedly espoused.

    Laws of physics: many so-called conservatives ignore the fact that CO2 is resonant to (reflects) long-wave infrared photons back to Earth, heating it. Add more CO2, then more resonance, more heating. Simple enough, but somehow that basic bit of quantum mechanics violates Conservative Principles.

    Evolution is fact, and has been a fact for 13.7B years, starting with stellar evolution, followed by the origin and evolution of life.

    Denying proven science isn't conservative. It's cracked pottery.

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  24. Yes, those polls are a snapshot in time, but it's amazing what 14 months and a convention can do to fire up people.

    Let's see would you consider "generally right leaning" people like: Grover Norquist, Glenn Beck, Judge Andrew Napolitano, John Dennis(Nancy Pelosi's R challenger, Sean Bielat (Barney Frank’s Tea Party–backed Republican opponent),Gary Johnson, Milt Friedman, George Schultz, William F. Buckley,

    no dissertation needed for the wise: deny evolution, deny the science of global warming, and proclaim that the universe was created in 7 days, 6000 years ago

    I eerily agree with your last statement.

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  25. Ha! So I read the image caption before I looked at the picture, and my immediate reaction was "seriously, people can be so dramatic over a little earth shake..." and then I looked at the picture. Ha! Thanks for the awesome laugh.

    Although your comments about the plaster have not made me feel any better. Remind me to never, ever let "1938 charm" (my agent's words, not mine) get in the way of my good judgement again. I will be forever grateful.

    Re: Facebook. I now post with my real first name, although a number of family members call me Gigi, so I really have always posted under my true identity. I do not, however, want to post on the Journal page with a facebook account. End of story, no apologies.

    Re: LTEs. We need another tech boom. I personally think the next tech boom will be under the rubric of green/alternative technologies, but I fear we're a long way from that. Growth will be bumpy and slow, but more closely resembles normal growth than the explosive expansion of 90s and the pseudo boom of last decade.

    And by the way, why does the "housing starts report" still exist? That econ report gets released and nearly every time the market tumbles. COME ON, that's a good thing. WE HAVE TOO MUCH HOUSING SUPPLY, why would slow housing starts have a negative effect on financial markets as it always seems to have? Just goes to show the markets are driven by a bunch of thoughtless puppets.

    End of my rant for the day, I wish you all a good one.

    Maybe Jas will make his first post tonight (on the Leopard's Limb), as beer is a topic near and dear to his heart! OK, I know, I mean how else do you think he tolerates living with me? :-)

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  26. however to "err" is human, but it feels divine.

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  27. Bucky said: "It looks like Deb Phillips is the only conservative voice that is permitted to post in the LTE's facebook section. They've driven away most of the conservative commenters. Precisely what the Journal wanted to do, in my opinion."

    No, she's the only one with the cojones to do it. As much as I dislike her politics, good for her that she's willing to put it on the table without cover.

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  28. Now Sharon, I was not going to say that about Jas!

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  29. And what was up with Deb Philips' Star of David emblem? Real members of the tribe would be loathe to advertise as such.

    Seems she just upgraded to a "no left turn". More appropriate in my opinion.

    I'd wager a bet she's a Journal employee.

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  30. I know none of you would SAY it dear Whitewall, but I know you're all THINKING it! ;-)

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  31. No fair, my winky face broke apart.

    ;-)

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  32. That's exactly right, Anthony. I've known Deb for years, her parents owned the Lewisville Roller Mills. She's a very talented photographer and communicator.

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  33. So only liberals believe in generally accepted science? Please. And all African Americans are dumb. Both statements are equally outrageous.

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  34. Sharon, I must quit thinking so loud :)

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  35. "Maybe Jas will make his first post tonight (on the Leopard's Limb), as beer is a topic near and dear to his heart! OK, I know, I mean how else do you think he tolerates living with me? :-)"

    I suspect Jason having two eyes helps, also.

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  36. Bucky: please consult with Bob, AJV, Arthur, and O.T. None of them would declare me a liberal but I believe in generally accepted science. I believe you have constructed a straw man.

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  37. Deb is a very accomplished photographer and media person, Check out her website: lewisvillephotos.com

    it's on my favorites list.

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  38. Sharon, I think Deb works for an outfit called New Media. She may be self-employed.

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  39. No one said that,Bucky, a lot of conservatives believe in Science. However, a bit too much skepticism has been shown by some of the Republican front runners.

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  40. Good afternoon folks! Hope the owner of the fallen chair had earthquake insurance.
    LTE 1: Some Monday morning (well, in this case I guess it would be Thursday morning) sentencing. If a convicted person does have a history of substance abuse, it would seem counseling or some sort of treatment should be included in any sentence. It was a tragic ending, but the "what if" concerning Judge Burke's sentence is but one of a long list of "what ifs" when it comes to Mr. Hungerford's demise.
    LTE 2: Political "sea changes" come and go as often as the tides. With the rapid pace of technological changes, the same can be said for economics which is why so many are finding themselves unemployable. A typical TB rant that believes all problems will end if we "just elect these people". I have news for you..it don't work like that.
    Sum it up: Another too broad question. The economy in Jan 09 was on the brink of a major depression and the full affect of the financial collapse had yet to be fully felt, so in those terms, we are better off. Unfortunately, the aftershock has left people scurrying to their hard core corners with the belief their particular way is the only way out. Our ability to objectively evaluate solutions and come to a consensus on the best way to move forward is decidely worse.

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  41. If Rick Perry loves the Constitution so much, why does he propose 7 major changes to it? I think he's Foghorn Leghorn and Yosemite Sam's love child.

    Lookit here son, I say son, did ya see that hawk after those hens? He scared 'em! That Rhode Island Red turned white. Then blue. Rhode Island. Red, white, and blue. That's a joke, son. A flag waver.

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  42. Well it appears I would've lost that bet for sure!

    What fun pictures, I could waste the afternoon looking at her site. I love the post processing technique she uses, it makes her pics look surreal. I recently upgraded to photoshop CS5 from regular photoshop, so I may try her technique. Impressive and fun topics! And we have something in common, I've been reading thepioneerwoman.com for years. Ah! Although I wonder if Deb knows PW is a Dem, albeit under a shroud of secrecy?

    What a fun and beautiful website. It's funny to see such dimension in her personality, when from her posts I imagined someone a lot more withdrawn and angry.

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  43. Hey Sharon! I replied to your email. My calendar for Sept is clear, so any weekend works for me.

    Re Deb's sentiments: I think most here do post on the Journal's site as well. Due to site restrictions, I am unable to login to FB while on my work break so I have to wait until the evening to post there. That may be the case for others here as well. Of course, some like Sharon aren't on FB at all and have no plans to join...which is a valid choice ;)

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  44. Btw..judging on the writing syle, me thinks JohnG has resurfaced on the Journal site as Joseph Es. Could be mistaken, but I see a lot of the same argumentative style.

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  45. :) that was quite a lively thread, dotnet

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  46. Hi Dotnet, interesting about JohnG, I just looked for him but could not find. I also just noticed that Deb is an Independent, another point we have in common.

    Anyway, a lot of offices I know block facebook, and a lot of professions I know frown upon people so clearly identifying themselves and posting frank personal opinions at the same time. Not everyone enjoys creative liberties to that extent.

    Well, we are not yet firm in our plans except for that we have convinced Vanessa not to go to Kenya in October. (Progress.) Otherwise she and we have no plan as of yet, but Sept is hours away, I'm hopeful we'll firm up plans this weekend. It's her weekend off and we'll certainly talk.

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  47. Young immigrant buoyed by change in deportation policy

    http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2011/aug/23/4/young-immigrants-buoyed-by-change-in-deportation-p-ar-1322968/

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  48. Could it be JohnG?

    The logic is similar (esp the racism thing) but the writing is a bit more fluid. Could JohnG have been in Hong Kong? Doubtful, he always seemed to post on east coast time... but he did have a protracted absence. ?

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  49. Oh yeah, I saw that yesterday, after OT made a reference to KooKoo Klan meeting or similar. Can't say that the "Journal's" new format has improved discourse that much.

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  50. hey Sharon - the only weekend in Oct that doesn't work for me is the 29th when i'll be in Chapel Hill all day for the alumni game then spending the 30th doing all of the chores i'd normally be doing the 29th.
    The immigrant thread was remarkable. It's so hard for me to imagine why some people become so overcome with rage over this. I think that one poster, C.O. is in need of some serious professional help.

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  51. Hi dotnet!

    "It's so hard for me to imagine why some people become so overcome with rage over this."

    It's the last refuge for racists.

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  52. lol, what dotnet, you not going to stay over on the Hill for Halloween? ;)

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  53. For some reason, whenever a Political question is asked, it seems peolple only want to blame/praise the far left or right. However, a great majority of Americans actually favor a centrist view (supported by many polls), even though they will capitulate when directly asked so as not appear "weak". If We the People actually want significant change, stand for what you believe in, not what a single "Party" or single candidate does. Stop accepting the status quo.

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  54. I'd love to stay over, Bob, but what household chores don't get done by me don't get done period since it's just me, myself and I and I'm too cheap to hire a cleaning service. Plus, i have to go back to work the 31st.
    Speaking of work, is anyone here familiar with ASP.Net FormViews using a SqlDataSource object for selecting and updating a database utilizing stored procedures (SQL Server 2008 edition)? The selection works fine, but the updating is duplicating my parameter set for reasons only Bill Gates knows which throws a too many arguments error and it's irritating the snot out of me >-|

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  55. “The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents – number 43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back – $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That's irresponsible. It's unpatriotic.”

    -- Then-Sen. Barack Obama campaigning in North Dakota in July 2008

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    President Obama has added approximately $4 trillion to the deficit in just 2 1/2 years. I wish we had Bush back. He would be cheaper.

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  56. Andrew, I think the last two elections have been rejections of the status quo, with the 2008 election going too far to the hard left, and the 2010 election emplacing too many intransigent righthanders. The American electorate wants compromise, and they want the opposing sides to get along better.

    That has been the message sent by the pendulum-swing elections. The pols have missed (or ignore) that message. There will be adjustments in 2012. I think the center, where I reside, albeit somewhat to the right, is getting very impatient.

    Off to tend parent, rasp in choir, rescue refrigerated Stellas. Back later.

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  57. Andrew...I have a family member who is a sitting R member of the US Congress from NC. He says during caucus meetings that it is the conservatives that do the talking and leading. On the other side of the isle, it is the Liberals that do the talking over there. If the center is to lead, then it must distinguish itself and do so. Compromise is fine but compromise that takes us one step forward then one step back is wasted effort unless the "compromise" is the goal instead of a clear solution. Official Washington btw loves compromise... nothing changes.

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  58. Hey WW - I forgot that juicy tidbit about you. Did you let that relation cat outta the bag a few years ago? I totally forgot or you never told. Well that's fun!

    I agree with you on the "center leading", but unfortunately, the reality is, coming to a fair compromise through effective negotiation, clear headedness and logic don't make for good tv/radio. We all suffer for it.

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  59. Dotnet -

    Re: your SQL question: Ich verstehe nur Bahnhof...

    I have a text out to V to solidify Sept plans. She should get back to me this pm.

    Chapel Hill! Halloween! Two great things that go great together. Fun fun fun.

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  60. Sharon, yes I did a couple of years ago. We as a society are not to the point yet where enough bad has happened to enough people. So nothing meaningful will happen until it has to. The tough steps most likely will be done by very few of the existing Congress and I'm guessing the President at the time may not matter. Government is acting like we have a monetary problem which we do not.

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  61. Whitewall.. I do not doubt that is the truth as they tend to be the loudest. I agree that the center should distinguish it self. I am not looking for more "compromise". Personally, I would like to see us move to a multiparty system. Radical for sure, it would take time and constitutional amendments, but I think it is the only way America can remain at the top (or at least be Caesar.) It seems highly illogical to me that 2 parties offer enough diversity to truly represent the American people. ( a very motley crew)

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  62. Andrew, there is no constitutional provision for the 2-party system. Geo Washington counseled against any parties at all.

    I would like to see a Centrist Party, with Conservative to the right and Labor Union to the left. That would better define our electorate, IMO.

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  63. Andrew...hmm, multi parties. Might happen one day. I can see the need for a turning point first. A president sometime in the near future with the guts to tell the nation from the State of the Union speech exactly what we face and what it means and the consequences of inaction. Or, the financial calamity happens and then the President lays it out plain and ugly. From there, the parties divide. We are indeed a very motlee crew.

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  64. Stab, I should have elaborated. I wish to remove the electoral college, thus having to amend the Constitution. Want direct democracy. Not a bad start with the three you envision.

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