Tuesday, December 27, 2011

Winston-Salem Journal LTE's TU 12/27/11


Violated for life
From 1929 to 1974, the state forced approximately 7,600 citizens to undergo sterilization. Roughly 40 percent were non-white (a far larger percentage than the non-white share of the population) and about 85 percent were women, according to The New York Times. North Carolina was, apparently, one of 32 states with such programs and, while these efforts may have been originally well intentioned forays into social engineering, the program was wrong in 1929 when it began, wrong in 1974 when it was ended and is wrong today.
By any 20th-century moral standard, forced sterilization is a violation of a citizen's human rights, and by any democratic standard should be considered a violation of a citizen's civil rights. Also, since sterilization is not reversible, the victims' rights have been violated for life.
While the state has officially apologized, to date these victims have not received compensation. Gov. Bev Perdue, commendably, has appointed a task force that will recommend fair compensation in the coming months. We should all support the work of the group and encourage our government to very substantially and fairly compensate all living victims of this misguided program. It is the least we can do, despite our state's ongoing budget problems.

KENNETH R. OSTBERG
Winston-Salem
Changing the ordinance
The Winston-Salem City Council had no right on Dec. 19 to suddenly try to change the current city ordinance governing free speech and public assembly on the City Hall grounds without notifying the public and allowing public input. This was a blatant attempt to shut down an Occupy Winston-Salem meeting.
Occupy Winston-Salem was totally within the law and current ordinances to hold a public meeting on City Hall grounds and was not impeding traffic, blocking sidewalks, littering or causing trouble to anyone. Whatever one's views, one should be allowed to express them without fear or intimidation.
This city is not just "too buttoned-down for protests" as suggested by columnist Scott Sexton ("Change eyed in assembly rule," Dec. 20): I suggest that it's held captive by the 1 percent. In my opinion, if the bank across the street from City Hall had held a meeting on the City Hall grounds, the city council would have canceled its meeting and rushed out to embrace them all, with cameras whirring.
I am saddened and alarmed by the character beginning to be shown by this city.

DIANNE P. HOBBS
Winston-Salem
On the other hand
What if President Obama has done everything right?
His vilified health-care-reform law, which historically navigated every Republican bottleneck, actually terminated refusal of coverage for pre-existent conditions. Do repeal-minded Republicans really want to regress to that? Dear Republicans did not recoil from government-mandated car insurance, although that promoted the general welfare, or socialism.
Obama's Wall Street overhaul actually stopped evils that expedited the recession. His two-state Israel/Palestinian proposal actually would alleviate that tragic impasse. His jobs bill would have created myriad jobs as a consequence of massive road, bridge and school repair. His Libyan policy protected a large percentage of civilians.
He is bringing our overextended troops home from Iraq this year .
Then consider what restrained Obama did not do, like take away the right of every Tennessee teenager to an automatic assault rifle (in case a communist hides under the bed).
Obama has above all shown he can handle the complicated presidency — rationally, humanely — when many Southerners thought a black man incapable of such.
Last summer, columnist Cal Thomas concluded the solution to national crisis was to vote Republican, forgetting the country tried that in 2010. And what did it beget? Rep. Paul Ryan, Rep. Eric Cantor and a "job-creating" N.C. General Assembly crusading against education.

CYCLONE COVEY
Winston-Salem
Makes sense
How interesting! A bipartisan group of House representatives just rejected an amendment to the Stop Online Piracy Act that would have affected pornography. As the Associated Press explained it, "By enforcing the intellectual property rights of porn producers, [Rep. Steve] King's office argued, the [Department of Justice] would be able to take down many websites that post porn illegally."
In other words, supporting legitimate pornography will halt illegal pornography and keep it from proliferating. As a result, there will be less pornography on the Internet.
I know it sounds funny, but it actually makes sense. It made sense to most of the conservatives on the House Judiciary Committee.
This same reasoning would also make sense when applied to Planned Parenthood: Defending and funding the organization prevents more abortions than it provides by allowing women to access information, health services and birth control.
Too bad conservatives don't know how to extrapolate.

LINDA PATRICK
Winston-Salem

46 comments:

  1. "Obama has above all shown he can handle the complicated presidency — rationally, humanely — when many Southerners thought a black man incapable of such."

    Cyclone Covey
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    I know you've written some books. One about Rush that you entitled 'The Gentle Radical'. But it's clear you've got some bigoted thoughts rolling around in that old brain of yours.

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  3. "Too bad conservatives don't know how to extrapolate."

    Linda Patrick

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    I don't know about that Ms. Patrick. I've extrapolated from your LTE that you're a liberal moron. How's that for extrapolating?

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  4. As always, fools rush in to show their ass first thing in the morning.

    Dr. Covey's book is about Roger Williams, a strong proponent of the separation of church and state and the founder of Providence, Rhode Island.

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  5. I just did what you do all the time Rushy. I twisted the truth to make it fit.

    Two can play the game Rushy. Hee Hee...you got love it.

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  6. As more women came forward with photos of the congressman, Weiner eventually admitted having relationships with six women via Internet and cell phone. He said he had sent the first revealed tweet by accident, believing it to be a private message.

    "I take full responsibility for my actions," Weiner said. "The picture was of me, and I sent it."

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    Man, it's going to take a real Weinerheaded Democrat to top this one in 2012.

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  7. "What if President Obama has done everything right?" Cyclone Covey

    I think the appropriate question is to ask is what if he has done everything wrong? It's clear that he hasn't done everything right, otherwise, our economy wouldn't be imploding, and our unemployment wouldn't be so high.

    That's what gets me about these liberals. Why do they ask or make such stupid questions/statements when they're suppose to be so smart? Duh!

    An idiot, dolt, or dullard is a mentally deficient person, or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way.

    Where's Rush at? I'm sure he can help us out.

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  10. WW - re our recent exchange anent G.K. Chesterton...

    Inspired me to reread The Man Who Was Thursday which is still brilliant and funny.

    I just stumbled upon a terrific website which has links to practically all of Chesterson's work online as free e-books. Some are also available as audio files which you can download and listen to. There is even a link to the original Mercury Theatre radio production of The Man Who Was Thursday. Mercury was the creation of Orson Welles and they were the folks who did the infamous broadcast of War of the Worlds.

    Chesterton e-books

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  11. @Rush's 1003hrs: "objective data indicates" that Buck the Schmuck is right re Covey's works.

    **wink wink**

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  12. Tim Britton had kidney surgery at the Cleveland Clinic on December 16th, unless he changed his mind.

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  13. Brokebuck wouldn't know objective data if it bit him on the butt.

    He gets his "ideas" from listening to Rush Limbaugh and the Fox talking heads, and from prowling the cesspools of the internet where he finds gay related items that give him a woody.

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  14. I can't wait to hear Rielle's testimony in 'Johnny's' trial. I can just hear her now, I didn't 'mean' to get pregnant. Oh Jeez!

    It'll be like Weinergate all over again.

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  15. Bobby, I hope you had a Merry Christmas. What did you get? Never mind, I don't think I want to know.

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  16. Four states – Louisiana, Tennessee, South Carolina and Georgia – passed laws requiring businesses to enroll in the federal E-Verify program to determine whether their employees are legal residents and eligible to work in the United States. They followed in the footsteps of 17 other states, including Arizona and Mississippi, that require public and private employers to use the Internet-based system.

    But California took the opposite route. Starting Jan. 1, city and county governments in the state will be barred from requiring private employers to use E-Verify, unless it's required to receive federal funds or is mandated by the federal government. The state says the move is a cost-cutting measure, and would save private employers about $3 billion. Under current law, it's voluntary for businesses to use E-Verify.
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    Liberals want to bankrupt the country with their ridiculously stupid ideas. Let's boot all of the buffoons out in 2012.

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  17. The E-Verify program is not used to "determine whether their employees are legal residents" as stated above, but it is an excellent tool to determine eligibility for employment in the United States.

    While there are critics of the program who say that it unfairly targets people with Hispanic surnames and that legal workers are inaccurately being flagged, I feel that use of the program is better than no verification at all.

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  18. As usual, you've got to love it when people blather on about stuff that they know nothing about.

    Homeland Security hired a company named Westat to study the efficiency of e-Verify. The result was really horrible...54% of illegal aliens processed through e-Verify got through the screening and were hired, so its pretty much a waste of time and money. of course, because it is operated by Homeland Security, they ignored the findings and continue to tout it to the public.

    And the public, because it is ignorant, as exemplified by the fool who wrote the above nonsense, falls for it.

    But don't worry...you're at least safe from terrorists because Homeland Security and Fox "news" say so...sucker.

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  19. I agree that 54% is horrible. I've read other stats that tout single digit inaccuracy rates, but let's say that 54% is a nearly accurate rate of hire of those ineligible to work: does this not mean that 46% of those screened were not hired? I would still say that this is better than no verification at all.

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  20. Maybe if it were free. see the costs here:

    http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/06/e_verify_infographic.html

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  21. Interesting that the article starts out with a link to "Léalo en español".

    Of course there are expenses, any business does has them. But the cost is to the employer, not the government nor the taxpayers. Enrollment is voluntary and cost free to the employer, and the expense it take the government to run the program is not passed on to the employer nor the taxpayer.

    Anyone can find websites to support views and stats. Read this one, for instance:

    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/enforcement/workplace-verification/e-verify-setting-record-straight.html?t=1325022025

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  22. Anonymous, if "the expense it take the government to run the program is not passed on to the employer nor the taxpayer," where does the government get the money to cover the expense?

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  23. Point taken. I would say that the expense would be as much as it takes to run a computer. Our entire government is doing that right now, with no way of knowing whether it's Homeland Security's expense or The Preservation of Moravian Teapots in Winston Salem, also at taxpayer's expense.

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  24. According to data compiled by Bloomberg, the cost of setting up E-Verify may depend largely on the size of the company with bigger companies able to spread their fixed costs over a large workforce as opposed to smaller ones. Businesses with fewer than 500 workers would bear the greatest burden, according to the data from Bloomberg, spending about $2.6 billion a year to use the government’s web-based verification system, E-Verify.

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  25. The Bloomberg report concluded that E-Verify cost small businesses in 2008 an average of $127 to run each new hire query and to respond in a timely manner to a TNC/Final Non Confirmation (FNC).

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  26. Unless the state requires it, it's voluntary enrollment. This means that the employer knowingly and voluntarily takes on the costs associated with it.

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  27. unless the state requires it, 20 do at present

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  28. Every legitimate news service reports substantial costs for the program to the government, businesses and individuals. CBO estimates at least $17.3 billion in lost federal taxes as employers move workers "off the books"...the cost to businesses per person processed is between $60 and $170, that for a so-called "free" system that doesn't work.

    If it is so cheap and such a great idea, one wonders why only about 4% of businesses are using it voluntarily.

    It's really just another attempt to avoid making a serious effort to develop a realistic policy on immigration.

    And the truth is that illegal aliens are not that big a problem to begin with...just a bunch of hot air blown up by the fascist set. The percentage of population of illegal aliens is almost exactly the same as that of our corrections population

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  29. The program expires sept 30, 2012.

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  30. "And the truth is that illegal aliens are not that big a problem to begin with...just a bunch of hot air blown up by the fascist set."

    Yep. That's it in a nutshell.

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  31. Much ado about nothing...or business as usual in the USA. Gingrich for President!!!

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  32. Here's a shout out to Woodrow Wilson whose birthday is tomorrow.

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  33. lol, Newt, the "smart one" so organized he didn't even get on the ballot in his home state.

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  34. That's right, Bob. Why am I not surprised you knew that?

    Each Dec. 28th the Wilson Library in Staunton offers free admission to the museum and manse, and birthday cake. It really is a great place. If any of you are ever in the area, you should check it out.

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  35. Home of the Statler Brothers. :)

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  36. Truth is, y'all, that I was Anonymous today.

    And even though the one who first commented on the E-verify program notably abstained from this short, intelligent, and rational discussion, one can be assured that he will be the last to comment on it.

    Thanks for the input.

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  37. And of the American Shakespeare Center, featuring some New York quality plays. And my favorite restaurant, Zynodoa, with some of the best old-fashioneds this side of St. Louis. They serve mostly organic and locally produced food.

    God I love that town. It's a real gem.

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  38. Here's the two best looking Navy petty officers I have seen, performing a great Navy tradition while at the same time taking the US another tiny step toward becoming a civilized nation.

    http://www.military.com/news/article/2011/women-share-1st-kiss-at-navy-ships-return.html?ESRC=navy.nl

    And for those who hate the idea of women on board Navy ships, be aware that both these beauties are Fire Controllmen...that's the fighting part of the Navy. The next time you see a cruise missile homing in on your bigoted butt...they're the ones who pulled the trigger. Run for your life, tough guy!

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  39. Well, the Navy's official name for the rating is Fire Controlman, who operate only on surface ships and naval aircraft.

    In the submarine service, it is Fire Control Technician, which would be a good way to avoid the "man" part, but the ratings are different, so...

    Give them time...they'll solve the sexist part...maybe they'll rename it Momma Bomba!

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  40. Woodrow Wilson attended Davidson College before transferring to Princeton, so he took a little piece of NC with him to the White House.

    As to Staunton, the Blackfriars Theatre is a painstaking reproduction of the original indoor theatre in London and is worth a visit even if there is no play going on.

    Will try Zynoda next time...hard to find a bartender who knows how to make a real Old Fashioned.

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  41. Zynodoa was an Indian brave known for his strength, courage, and appreciation of our region's bounty. In honor of his life, his people gave his name to the river, mountain, and valley - which we now call Shenandoah.

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  42. OT...thanks for the Chesterton info and link. I'll check into it after we get back home this weekend. I'm out of state for awhile and not writing much. Reading a lot of foreign financial business press. I'm worried.

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  43. WW - Me too. I think that people do not understand that the present situation is NOT the Great Depression. Things are much more complicated than they used to be. It will take some new sort of thinking to solve today's problems.

    Or we can go back to Chesterton's What is Wrong With the World which addressed many of our current ailments. That might help.

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