When politicians talk about Medicare to senior citizens, they begin by telling us not to worry because we are over 55. The cuts won't affect us. I am over 55 by almost 20 years, and this does not reassure me. It offends me.
Do politicians think that we think only of ourselves? When I hear this "over 55" nonsense, I think of my family. They are all under 55. How will these changes affect them? What does the future hold for them?
I doubt that I am alone in my thinking. It's not just about "me, me, me." It's about "us, us, us."
BARBARA WATKINS DAYE Boone
"Leave it alone"
Tell the school board to leave Hanes Park alone ("School board given petitions," Aug. 22). The idea of spending so much money on a new football stadium for one school, and in the process destroying much of Hanes Park, is terrible and poorly thought out. That money could be better spent on academic pursuits, more teachers, smaller class sizes, improved science labs, bigger school libraries and so much more. And they want to take away much of the park for football?
At best, this is an ill-conceived plan that will do much to anger the surrounding homeowners (where are all those game-goers planning to park?), and at worst this is the demolition of a part of Winston-Salem's legacy, a park where many of us grew up playing. Why should so many lose something dear to them so that so few can enjoy a new, costly way to watch high school football? It just doesn't make sense.
I hope very much the powers that be will champion the cause of saving Hanes Park. More people should know about these plans so they can be as outraged as the rest of us. Get the word out, shut this plan down.
I must point out misrepresentations contained the Aug. 29 letter "Our core values." The writer accuses the Winston-Salem City Council of not telling the court "the truth it now possesses" about the Silk Plant Forest case. The city council possesses no new truth or facts. Like the Silk Plant Forest Truth Committee, we read the Swecker report and, no matter what each of us believes about the investigation, the trial or subsequent filings, this report contains no new facts , which is a requirement for an amicus brief.
In fact, the Truth Committee has already filed an amicus with the Schwecker report attached; whether it is accepted is still in question. The city council's statement, contrary to the letter, shows an appreciation of "facts and due process" and does not presume to direct the court.
The "core values and beliefs" of the members of the city council were called into question by the letter writer; that quote and the expressions of strident, harsh opinions voiced by members of the committee and ministers in the city are an insult to the people who serve us all. May I remind them, "Judge not, lest you be judged." The city council did what it was empowered to do in forming the Silk Plant Forest Citizens Review Committee to study the case investigation and to recommend changes to policies and procedures. Beyond that, we have no power to influence the judicial system.
MOLLY LEIGHT
WINSTON-SALEM CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, SOUTH WARD
Winston-Salem
"The best gift"
It is time to take control of a socially and financially devastating government program. Our current welfare system allows and even encourages teenagers and young adults to have children that they are financially and, often, emotionally unable to care for.
Oftentimes the mother must quit school or her job, stripping her of the opportunity to use her intelligence and talents to better her life. Many fathers don't take responsibility, and children are raised fatherless. Mothers are often inclined to have more children because their welfare benefits will increase and they have no other financial options.
Unfortunately, living as people who are dependent on the government for their every need rather than relying on their own strengths and hard work is discouraging and lends itself to feeling of hopelessness and helplessness. This, in turn, can lead to self-destructive behaviors. Sadly, the children born into this lifestyle often grow up with the same mentality of learned helplessness and become dependent on the government.
Liberal politicians and leaders perpetuate the growth of welfare to win votes, praise and their livelihoods. After 25 years of working in different areas of human services, I can assure you that allowing this to continue is a disservice to our precious teens, young adults and the babies they have before they are emotionally and financially stable enough to raise them. The best gift we could give to them would be to stop this cycle of poverty by limiting government entitlements and encouraging independence rather than dependence.
"The best gift" What your work experience has shown you is true and more. But debating the point is useless as things always devolve into side arguments. This phase of the welfare state is only a part of society's "welfare mentality". This continues on into the basic structue of our welfare (entitlement) state. From a discussion of the welfare state over the last 140 years:
It has long been argued that at its core, modern society, at least on a mathematical basis - the one which ultimately trumps hopium every single time - is fatally flawed due to the existence, and implementation, of the concept of modern "welfare" - an idea spawned by Otto von Bismarck in the 1870s, and since enveloped the globe in various forms of transfer payments which provide the illusion of a social safety net, dangles the carrot of pension, health, and retirement benefits, and in turn converts society into a collage of blank faces, calm as Hindu cows. Alas, the cows will promptly become enraged bulls once they realize that all that has been promised to them in exchange for their docility and complacency has... well... vaporized. It is at that point that the final comprehension would dawn, that instead of a Welfare State, it has been a Hardship State all along. To follow are some views on what the insoluble dilemma of the welfare state is, and what the key problems that the status quo will face with its attempts at perpetuating this lie. To be continued.
Continued... and should help with LTE 1 by the way: The Great Delusion - “Welfare”
For the best part of the last two decades, it has been accepted as an indisputable fact even by the mainstream media that the two great pillars of the welfare state - medicare and social security - will break the government which offers them. Today, every nation in the world makes at least some pretense of providing “welfare” to its citizens. Since the “developed” (or “rich”) nations are those where these systems are most “developed”, these are the nations most at risk of crumbling under their burdens.
Welfare has many antonyms, but “hardship” is particularly apt in this context. Wikipedia’s entry on “welfare” ends like this: “... this term replaces “charity” as it was known for thousands of years, being the act of providing for those who temporarily or permanently could not provide for themselves.” As usual, the defining characteristic is missed. Charity is voluntary. “Welfare” as practised by government is compulsory. This makes the two terms opposites. It also brings about the opposite results. Charity is a voluntary act made by those who have a surplus to assist those who do not. “Welfare” is a system guaranteed to end up in hardship for everyone but particularly for those who are forced to be “charitable”.
The insoluble dilemma of a “welfare state” is twofold. First, it results in a situation in which the majority of people who vote are partially or wholly dependent on the state for their sustenance. In every “advanced” nation today, those who vote for a living outnumber those who work for one. It is true that not everybody, or even a majority of those eligible in many cases, bothers to vote at all. It is equally true that the “wards of the state” have much more incentive to vote than do those who are to provide for them.
The second dilemma is the issue of the unfunded liabilities. The US government divides its budget into discretionary and NON discretionary items. The bulwarks of the welfare state, social security and medicare, fall into the second category. They are considered untouchable. There are only two problems here. First, the unfunded liabilities of these two programs are somewhere in the order of $US 80 - 120 TRILLION. Second, any talk of sharply lower annual deficits (let alone talk of a return to a budget balance) are puerile without MAJOR surgery being performed on medicare and social security. They are gigantic millstones around the neck of the US economy as they are on the economies of all other nations.
In the hands of government - “welfare” becomes its antithesis - “hardship”. Today, this is being illustrated in real time in Greece. But no nation can afford a welfare state in the long run. In summary....moo.
The "unfunded liability" of Medicare is currently a little over $25 trillion. The amount for Social Security is about $25 trillion, so a total for the two slightly over $50 trillion, nowhere near $80-120 trillion.
That doesn't mean that we don't have a problem, but it is better to work with correct numbers when trying to solve a problem.
Molly, Molly, Molly.....you all are trying to dodge the political bullets now, but you all loaded the gun. And, you knew when you did it.
Forming that stupid citizens' Silk Plant Forest Review Committee was about as dumb a thing as the city council could have done. But you all wanted to pander to a certain group of people, so you did it, all the while knowing it was going nowhere.
Now, you've got everybody all stirred up, and they are looking to the city council for answers. And, you have none.
When, and if new facts, or relevant issues arise in the case, that are salient enough for the court to review, those items should be submitted to the court for judicial review. Not given to a group of liberal citizens, that think they know more than judges, lawyers, and duly appointed jurors to play around with. That's not how our system of justice works.
Throw in this half-baked Methodist minister, named Kelly Carpenter, running around babbling about racial this, and racial that, and the whole community is stirred up for nothing.
The City Council is suppose to be taking care of city business, not dabbling in judicial activism. Let the courts do their job, and you all do yours. Capiche?
LTE #1 - Politicians always try to appeal to self interest.
That's because, for the most part, that is what appeals to them. The last President that we have had who actually cared about the country was Jimmy Carter, and you can see where that got him.
LTE #2 - I don't much like the phrase "Save Hanes Park". Building a stadium there will not "destroy" the park, although it will have a negative affect on the park and the surrounding area.
I made the mistake of suggesting that the stadium proponents consider the area now occupied by the baseball field with the idea of building a multi-use facility for football, baseball and all the other field sports. Whooeee! Blasphemy!
LTE #3 - Molly is right. The city has done what it should and can. Now the matter is up to the courts.
If you actually read and understand the Truth Committee's report, it is obvious that this case smells like donkey poop, which, by the way, smells similar to dog poop or human poop.
Of course, the District Attorney can always reopen any case that he thinks has problems. Don't hold your breath.
LTE #4 - More ignorance. As I pointed out recently, welfare has been drastically reduced over the past fifteen years.
That doesn't mean that we have won the war, but we're headed in the right direction.
As always, there are two choices. You can be a part of the solution by getting involved, or you can stand on the sidelines, perhaps at our new Hanes Park stadium, and yell "The sky is falling, the sky is falling."
The police and courts don't get to choose the facts of a case. Otherwise, they'd all have fingerprints, DNA, video tape, confessions, and ten eyewitnesses.
Again, a foolish comment by our forum NW, but we expect nothing more.
As Robert Heinlein stated the problem - "it is impossible to free a serf or a slave. He or she must free themselves and most are much more terrified of that prospect than they are resentful of being ruled".
Nothing is impossible. If you were a serf or a slave I would bet the farm that you my dearest Whitewall would know what to do with your freedom and would not be terrified of any prospect that presented itself.
Interestingly enough, slaves in the US faced just such a prospect at the end of the Civil War.
Imagine if someone came to you and said "You are free. However, you now have no place to live, no money, no way to make any money. Begone."
If you were born into generations of slaves who had always been housed, clothed and fed, but never paid any money, by the massah in return for your labor, what would you do?
That is why, virtually overnight, the sharecropping economy was born...so most slaves wound up working for the same massah, living in the same housing, working the same fields, with the only possible difference being that they were no longer legally property (advantage to the massah who no longer had to pay tax on them) and if they were extremely lucky, at the end of the year they might have a little produce left over from their "share" to sell for a dollar.
We have had several revolutions recently in which the "slaves" threw out their long term "massahs". It will be interesting to see how those events turn out.
Both of your responses are very good and speak to parts of human nature always in conflict. I included this quote as it was from a longer discussion of how do the generations of "entitled" welfare state participants manage themselves once the reality of the dissolving safety net sinks in. Wordly, I would like to think I would be your noble description, but who knows really.
As my father once told me, he was very confident that if he were to wake up penniless one day he was certain he start over and remake himself. Me on the other hand, he was doubtful I could survive in the same situation. Even though I've never met you, I believe you are of the fortitude as he.
This actually happened to one of my best friends. Through a series of disasters, he lost pretty much everything that he had, which plunged him into deep depression.
But he took a job normally reserved for teenagers, at minimum wage. He spent a year living in a friend's repair shop, and another in a rooming house. None of his friends even knew this was going on.
Today, all that is behind him. He has an important job and is heavily involved in the community and lives in a "cool" loft just a block or so from me.
I asked him once how he did it. "What should I have done?" he asked. "Quit?"
In the business, we say that that sort of thing is part genetics and part environment. In his case, his father set an example.
He joined the Seabees a couple of days after Pearl Harbor as a 1st class petty officer, based on his work experience. In Hawaii while waiting to go to the South Seas, he got drunk, got into a fight with and badly whipped a Navy commander and got busted to seaman recruit and sent to the Marine Corps brig. He did his time, actually busting rocks(!), quit drinking, participated in two very dangerous island invasions, came home a chief petty officer, spent a year as a Seabee instructor and was waiting in Hawaii to join the invasion of Japan when the war ended.
He liked to joke about that. "Forget those atomic bombs. The reason that the Japanese surrendered is that they heard I was on my way."
A dumbass republican sent me this link to a terrific animation that claims to be the Curiosity mission to Mars. Only problem is that the landing is all wrong.
No wonder that the GOP has trouble understanding simple scientific facts like global climate change and how women get pregnant.
"What the future holds'
ReplyDeleteWhen politicians talk about Medicare to senior citizens, they begin by telling us not to worry because we are over 55. The cuts won't affect us. I am over 55 by almost 20 years, and this does not reassure me. It offends me.
Do politicians think that we think only of ourselves? When I hear this "over 55" nonsense, I think of my family. They are all under 55. How will these changes affect them? What does the future hold for them?
I doubt that I am alone in my thinking. It's not just about "me, me, me." It's about "us, us, us."
BARBARA WATKINS DAYE
Boone
"Leave it alone"
Tell the school board to leave Hanes Park alone ("School board given petitions," Aug. 22). The idea of spending so much money on a new football stadium for one school, and in the process destroying much of Hanes Park, is terrible and poorly thought out. That money could be better spent on academic pursuits, more teachers, smaller class sizes, improved science labs, bigger school libraries and so much more. And they want to take away much of the park for football?
At best, this is an ill-conceived plan that will do much to anger the surrounding homeowners (where are all those game-goers planning to park?), and at worst this is the demolition of a part of Winston-Salem's legacy, a park where many of us grew up playing. Why should so many lose something dear to them so that so few can enjoy a new, costly way to watch high school football? It just doesn't make sense.
I hope very much the powers that be will champion the cause of saving Hanes Park. More people should know about these plans so they can be as outraged as the rest of us. Get the word out, shut this plan down.
JENNY HUTCHERSON
Winston-Salem
"No new facts"
DeleteI must point out misrepresentations contained the Aug. 29 letter "Our core values." The writer accuses the Winston-Salem City Council of not telling the court "the truth it now possesses" about the Silk Plant Forest case. The city council possesses no new truth or facts. Like the Silk Plant Forest Truth Committee, we read the Swecker report and, no matter what each of us believes about the investigation, the trial or subsequent filings, this report contains no new facts , which is a requirement for an amicus brief.
In fact, the Truth Committee has already filed an amicus with the Schwecker report attached; whether it is accepted is still in question. The city council's statement, contrary to the letter, shows an appreciation of "facts and due process" and does not presume to direct the court.
The "core values and beliefs" of the members of the city council were called into question by the letter writer; that quote and the expressions of strident, harsh opinions voiced by members of the committee and ministers in the city are an insult to the people who serve us all. May I remind them, "Judge not, lest you be judged." The city council did what it was empowered to do in forming the Silk Plant Forest Citizens Review Committee to study the case investigation and to recommend changes to policies and procedures. Beyond that, we have no power to influence the judicial system.
MOLLY LEIGHT
WINSTON-SALEM CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, SOUTH WARD
Winston-Salem
"The best gift"
It is time to take control of a socially and financially devastating government program. Our current welfare system allows and even encourages teenagers and young adults to have children that they are financially and, often, emotionally unable to care for.
Oftentimes the mother must quit school or her job, stripping her of the opportunity to use her intelligence and talents to better her life. Many fathers don't take responsibility, and children are raised fatherless. Mothers are often inclined to have more children because their welfare benefits will increase and they have no other financial options.
Unfortunately, living as people who are dependent on the government for their every need rather than relying on their own strengths and hard work is discouraging and lends itself to feeling of hopelessness and helplessness. This, in turn, can lead to self-destructive behaviors. Sadly, the children born into this lifestyle often grow up with the same mentality of learned helplessness and become dependent on the government.
Liberal politicians and leaders perpetuate the growth of welfare to win votes, praise and their livelihoods. After 25 years of working in different areas of human services, I can assure you that allowing this to continue is a disservice to our precious teens, young adults and the babies they have before they are emotionally and financially stable enough to raise them. The best gift we could give to them would be to stop this cycle of poverty by limiting government entitlements and encouraging independence rather than dependence.
CHRISTY NUNN
Winston-Salem
"The best gift" What your work experience has shown you is true and more. But debating the point is useless as things always devolve into side arguments. This phase of the welfare state is only a part of society's "welfare mentality". This continues on into the basic structue of our welfare (entitlement) state. From a discussion of the welfare state over the last 140 years:
DeleteIt has long been argued that at its core, modern society, at least on a mathematical basis - the one which ultimately trumps hopium every single time - is fatally flawed due to the existence, and implementation, of the concept of modern "welfare" - an idea spawned by Otto von Bismarck in the 1870s, and since enveloped the globe in various forms of transfer payments which provide the illusion of a social safety net, dangles the carrot of pension, health, and retirement benefits, and in turn converts society into a collage of blank faces, calm as Hindu cows. Alas, the cows will promptly become enraged bulls once they realize that all that has been promised to them in exchange for their docility and complacency has... well... vaporized. It is at that point that the final comprehension would dawn, that instead of a Welfare State, it has been a Hardship State all along. To follow are some views on what the insoluble dilemma of the welfare state is, and what the key problems that the status quo will face with its attempts at perpetuating this lie. To be continued.
Continued... and should help with LTE 1 by the way:
DeleteThe Great Delusion - “Welfare”
For the best part of the last two decades, it has been accepted as an indisputable fact even by the mainstream media that the two great pillars of the welfare state - medicare and social security - will break the government which offers them. Today, every nation in the world makes at least some pretense of providing “welfare” to its citizens. Since the “developed” (or “rich”) nations are those where these systems are most “developed”, these are the nations most at risk of crumbling under their burdens.
Welfare has many antonyms, but “hardship” is particularly apt in this context. Wikipedia’s entry on “welfare” ends like this: “... this term replaces “charity” as it was known for thousands of years, being the act of providing for those who temporarily or permanently could not provide for themselves.” As usual, the defining characteristic is missed. Charity is voluntary. “Welfare” as practised by government is compulsory. This makes the two terms opposites. It also brings about the opposite results. Charity is a voluntary act made by those who have a surplus to assist those who do not. “Welfare” is a system guaranteed to end up in hardship for everyone but particularly for those who are forced to be “charitable”.
The insoluble dilemma of a “welfare state” is twofold. First, it results in a situation in which the majority of people who vote are partially or wholly dependent on the state for their sustenance. In every “advanced” nation today, those who vote for a living outnumber those who work for one. It is true that not everybody, or even a majority of those eligible in many cases, bothers to vote at all. It is equally true that the “wards of the state” have much more incentive to vote than do those who are to provide for them.
The second dilemma is the issue of the unfunded liabilities. The US government divides its budget into discretionary and NON discretionary items. The bulwarks of the welfare state, social security and medicare, fall into the second category. They are considered untouchable. There are only two problems here. First, the unfunded liabilities of these two programs are somewhere in the order of $US 80 - 120 TRILLION. Second, any talk of sharply lower annual deficits (let alone talk of a return to a budget balance) are puerile without MAJOR surgery being performed on medicare and social security. They are gigantic millstones around the neck of the US economy as they are on the economies of all other nations.
In the hands of government - “welfare” becomes its antithesis - “hardship”. Today, this is being illustrated in real time in Greece. But no nation can afford a welfare state in the long run. In summary....moo.
The "unfunded liability" of Medicare is currently a little over $25 trillion. The amount for Social Security is about $25 trillion, so a total for the two slightly over $50 trillion, nowhere near $80-120 trillion.
DeleteThat doesn't mean that we don't have a problem, but it is better to work with correct numbers when trying to solve a problem.
What's a trillion here or there? Obama certainly doesn't care, or he wouldn't have wasted that trillion on his stimulus package.
DeleteOh, I forgot. We got Silas Creek Pkwy repaved, even though it didn't need it.
If it weren't so serious, you'd have to laugh.
Molly, Molly, Molly.....you all are trying to dodge the political bullets now, but you all loaded the gun. And, you knew when you did it.
ReplyDeleteForming that stupid citizens' Silk Plant Forest Review Committee was about as dumb a thing as the city council could have done. But you all wanted to pander to a certain group of people, so you did it, all the while knowing it was going nowhere.
Now, you've got everybody all stirred up, and they are looking to the city council for answers. And, you have none.
When, and if new facts, or relevant issues arise in the case, that are salient enough for the court to review, those items should be submitted to the court for judicial review. Not given to a group of liberal citizens, that think they know more than judges, lawyers, and duly appointed jurors to play around with. That's not how our system of justice works.
Throw in this half-baked Methodist minister, named Kelly Carpenter, running around babbling about racial this, and racial that, and the whole community is stirred up for nothing.
The City Council is suppose to be taking care of city business, not dabbling in judicial activism. Let the courts do their job, and you all do yours. Capiche?
LTE #1 - Politicians always try to appeal to self interest.
ReplyDeleteThat's because, for the most part, that is what appeals to them. The last President that we have had who actually cared about the country was Jimmy Carter, and you can see where that got him.
LTE #2 - I don't much like the phrase "Save Hanes Park". Building a stadium there will not "destroy" the park, although it will have a negative affect on the park and the surrounding area.
I made the mistake of suggesting that the stadium proponents consider the area now occupied by the baseball field with the idea of building a multi-use facility for football, baseball and all the other field sports. Whooeee! Blasphemy!
LTE #3 - Molly is right. The city has done what it should and can. Now the matter is up to the courts.
If you actually read and understand the Truth Committee's report, it is obvious that this case smells like donkey poop, which, by the way, smells similar to dog poop or human poop.
Of course, the District Attorney can always reopen any case that he thinks has problems. Don't hold your breath.
LTE #4 - More ignorance. As I pointed out recently, welfare has been drastically reduced over the past fifteen years.
That doesn't mean that we have won the war, but we're headed in the right direction.
As always, there are two choices. You can be a part of the solution by getting involved, or you can stand on the sidelines, perhaps at our new Hanes Park stadium, and yell "The sky is falling, the sky is falling."
The police and courts don't get to choose the facts of a case. Otherwise, they'd all have fingerprints, DNA, video tape, confessions, and ten eyewitnesses.
DeleteAgain, a foolish comment by our forum NW, but we expect nothing more.
As Robert Heinlein stated the problem - "it is impossible to free a serf or a slave. He or she must free themselves and most are much more terrified of that prospect than they are resentful of being ruled".
ReplyDeleteNothing is impossible. If you were a serf or a slave I would bet the farm that you my dearest Whitewall would know what to do with your freedom and would not be terrified of any prospect that presented itself.
DeleteInterestingly enough, slaves in the US faced just such a prospect at the end of the Civil War.
DeleteImagine if someone came to you and said "You are free. However, you now have no place to live, no money, no way to make any money. Begone."
If you were born into generations of slaves who had always been housed, clothed and fed, but never paid any money, by the massah in return for your labor, what would you do?
That is why, virtually overnight, the sharecropping economy was born...so most slaves wound up working for the same massah, living in the same housing, working the same fields, with the only possible difference being that they were no longer legally property (advantage to the massah who no longer had to pay tax on them) and if they were extremely lucky, at the end of the year they might have a little produce left over from their "share" to sell for a dollar.
We have had several revolutions recently in which the "slaves" threw out their long term "massahs". It will be interesting to see how those events turn out.
Both of your responses are very good and speak to parts of human nature always in conflict. I included this quote as it was from a longer discussion of how do the generations of "entitled" welfare state participants manage themselves once the reality of the dissolving safety net sinks in. Wordly, I would like to think I would be your noble description, but who knows really.
DeleteAs my father once told me, he was very confident that if he were to wake up penniless one day he was certain he start over and remake himself. Me on the other hand, he was doubtful I could survive in the same situation. Even though I've never met you, I believe you are of the fortitude as he.
DeleteWordly, thank you ma'am. High praise indeed. Don't sell yourself short. I've read enough of your posts to see there is a good bit of him in you.
DeleteI suspect that both of you would do quite well.
DeleteThis actually happened to one of my best friends. Through a series of disasters, he lost pretty much everything that he had, which plunged him into deep depression.
But he took a job normally reserved for teenagers, at minimum wage. He spent a year living in a friend's repair shop, and another in a rooming house. None of his friends even knew this was going on.
Today, all that is behind him. He has an important job and is heavily involved in the community and lives in a "cool" loft just a block or so from me.
I asked him once how he did it. "What should I have done?" he asked. "Quit?"
In the business, we say that that sort of thing is part genetics and part environment. In his case, his father set an example.
He joined the Seabees a couple of days after Pearl Harbor as a 1st class petty officer, based on his work experience. In Hawaii while waiting to go to the South Seas, he got drunk, got into a fight with and badly whipped a Navy commander and got busted to seaman recruit and sent to the Marine Corps brig. He did his time, actually busting rocks(!), quit drinking, participated in two very dangerous island invasions, came home a chief petty officer, spent a year as a Seabee instructor and was waiting in Hawaii to join the invasion of Japan when the war ended.
He liked to joke about that. "Forget those atomic bombs. The reason that the Japanese surrendered is that they heard I was on my way."
Gov. Bev. Perdue (D) is making news. She's being recognized as the worst governor in the United States.
ReplyDeleteIf only we had a woman, she'd straighten things out. Hee...Hee. The first and the worst. Way to go Bev!
A dumbass republican sent me this link to a terrific animation that claims to be the Curiosity mission to Mars. Only problem is that the landing is all wrong.
ReplyDeleteNo wonder that the GOP has trouble understanding simple scientific facts like global climate change and how women get pregnant.
Curiosity Don't Bounce
"President Obama will outline how we can continue to move America forward at the Democrat National Convention."
ReplyDeleteDebbie Wasserman Schultz
_________
Just goes to show you that Democrats don't know the difference between going forward and going backwards anymore.
Pathetic.