Tuesday, September 6, 2011

Winston-Salem Journal LTE's TU 09/06/11

Good AM, folks!

The LTE's are pretty much warmed over today.

'If'
I agree with Maya Angelou that the Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial in Washington should have included the "if" clause ("Angelou calls for King's quote to be changed," Sept. 1). Anyone who doubts the importance of this little word might profit from reading Rudyard Kipling's famous poem, "If."

It's really unfortunate that her point of view was not expressed in a more timely fashion so that the wording might have been changed.

ROBERT VORSTEG
Winston-Salem

Slippery slope
Rep. Dale Folwell in his recent guest column ("The people's decision," Aug. 30), makes the argument that voters should decide whether to abridge the civil rights of gay couples to preserve the religious sanctity of marriage. Would Rep. Folwell be willing to include in his amendment the abolition of civil divorce for couples who have joined in union and sworn before God to remain together until "death do us part"?
Should those who commit adultery and violate God's seventh commandment be subject to criminal prosecution? Should seafood restaurants be closed because the Bible says that eating shrimp and lobster is an abomination?

As citizens of the United States we all enjoy the right to be treated equally. Amending the N.C. constitution to deny equal rights to some of our fellow citizens based on others' religious beliefs is a slippery slope which no citizen should want to begin and which all citizens should fear.

JOHN WIGODSKY
Winston-Salem

Budgeting
I can live on a budget; why can't the government? Could it be that I don't give my money away? Food for thought.

WILLIAM SAMS
King

Really?
The Aug. 29 letter "The worst of leaders," labeling President Obama as "the worst of leaders" is alarming because of the author's short-term memory. He wants to label President Obama "a community organizer" as though that is a terrible, awful, very bad thing. Really? I think of community organizers as grassroots leaders and a very, very good thing.

The author says that in his many years, President Obama is "by far the worst of leaders." Really? Where was this writer from 1969 to 1974, when Richard Nixon held the office from which he finally resigned under the cloud of almost certain impeachment? But let's not dwell on the distant past; just move forward a decade or two to the presidency of George W. Bush. This is the president whom history will hold responsible for entering an unprovoked war against Iraq and for irresponsible economic policies that ended in the collapse of our economy in 2008 (months before Obama became president). The number of lives lost and the number of injured and forever handicapped is a far worse legacy than even his irresponsible economic policies.

Never has this nation been engaged in not one but two wars for which we did not pay. No financial sacrifices were asked of our citizenry. Did we think that these bombs, aircraft, bullets and personnel were freebies?

President Obama inherited the worst of situations left to him by the worst of our leaders. Thank you, President Obama, for tackling an impossible task.

JO ANN MOUNT
Winston-Salem

Affected by injustice
Once again I have found myself physically sickened by uninformed and intolerant people, with the talk of a "marriage amendment" that they have convinced themselves to be necessary to preserve "traditional marriage." The writer of the Aug. 28 letter "Taking away rights," who said that same-sex partners of our state would receive the same benefits she enjoys as a heterosexual partner in marriage, knows zero about the over-30 laws providing benefits to heterosexual couples and would be denied same-sex couples.
The tax dollars of all hard-working GLTB (gay, lesbian, transgendered or bisexual) citizens are being used against them to further the cause of denying them full and equal rights in our country.

There is no evidence that same-sex marriages have done anything to contribute to the destruction of marriage. Prove by statistics what the legislators and those speaking out say they know for a fact would happen to our society if our GLTB children and family members were to be recognized as deserving human beings of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

Why are there so many divorces in the South, the "Bible belt"? It certainly has no link to same-sex marriage.
If there is to be legislation passed to further deny full and equal rights to millions of our citizens, then those affected by this injustice should not pay state and federal taxes. Seems only fair to me. By the way, my husband and I will soon celebrate our 45th anniversary.

AVA LEE BERNISH
Clemmons

64 comments:

  1. LTE1: I think it odd that the omission of "if" didn't draw criticism during the design stage. There must be some red faces now.

    LTE2: JC's instruction superseded the Old Testament. I strongly doubt that a diety who created the universe gives a hoot in hello if someone enjoys shrimp and scallops. I also do not think He takes note of what adult marries what adult, either. Regardless, leglislation based on a particular theology is contrary to the principles on which this country was founded. Freedom of religion means freedom FROM someone else's religion.
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    LTE3: A simplistic LTE. Scratch a little and the LTE writer probably supports giving money to some, but not to others.

    LTE4: The standard TB rant from the left, to be matched in a day or two by the standard TB rant from the right. Poster OT Rush summed these up pretty well here yesterday:

    " Ah, but there is always tomorrow. Maybe somebody will write an LTE about how the most pressing issue today in the USA is somehow getting the economy functioning again and beginning to build a new job base. Nah, that won't happen, or if it does, it will just be about who's to blame for the problem, not how to solve it."

    LTE5: I can sympathize. I'm not GLTB but my tax dollars are used against me, too, in other respects, and I'm told it's for my own good or that fine pair of weasel words, "social justice," but I know better. I the case of GLTB folks, I'm all for real social justice for them by ending their second-class status.

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  2. Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult Saturday 3 September 2011.

    http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779

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  3. Granted, truth-out.org is a progressive organization, but the author of the article, Mike Lofgren, is recently retired Republican operative of 28 years.

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  4. Ms. Bernish.....if you are so concerned about equal rights and discriminatory practices by our government, why don't you also campaign on behalf of white males who are routinely discriminated against based on Affirmative Action laws, regulations, and quotas?

    Over 1 million men were drafted and killed in world wars, did you ever scream about that discrimination? What about our current practice of only allowing men to be sent to the front lines of wars?

    What about protectionist laws, where 'special' laws are passed to protect only females?

    What about the ERA Admendment? Why haven't you been in the streets screaming about that issue?

    Your hypocrisy is duly noted.

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  5. Thanks Bobby....I don't drink, but I appreciate the thought.

    The liberal Democratic lunatics missed you yesterday, and so did I.

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  6. Budget? What budget? We don't need no stinking budget.

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  7. Over 50% of Americans disapprove of Obama's job performance, and 77% say the country is heading in the wrong direction.

    I'd say Obama is history as a president after 2012.

    Here's the link:

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/summer-of-discontent-slams-obama-and-republicans-abc-news-washington-post-poll/

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  8. Hello Bob, WW, Bucky!

    Bucky, the news about President Obama's approval rating is a mixed bag. According to a report I heard on NPR this AM, 24% of poll respondents approve of the job being done by Republicans in Congress. This bodes poorly for R's maintaining their House majority after 2012.

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  9. The screwy thing about those polls Stab is that people approve of their own representative, but disapprove of Congress (Republican or Democrat) as a whole.

    It's much like the gay and lesbians in San Francisco, they love Nancy Pelosi, but the rest of America thinks she'll raving lunatic.

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  10. Hey Stab. All is well?

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  11. I think the public's dissatisfaction with Obama will carry over to Congress, and the Republicans are likely to control Congress once again. University of Virginia political professor Sabato is predicting that the Republicans will control the senate after the next election. So, even if Obama were to be reelected, his inept policies will go nowhere. Thank goodness.

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  12. Wahoo Wa. Sabato's always stood on some shakey grounds there, The only thing I can think of that is lower in public opinion than the President and Congress is you, bucky and it's sprint to the bottom. :)

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  13. hahaha, a Yahoo quot'n a Wahoo

    say that fast 3 times, or 4 if necessary.

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  14. Greetings all, I hope everyone had a nice weekend, and Staballoy, I hope your Habitat project went well! I don't know how you accomplish everything and accomplish it all with grace.

    LTEs: I feel the election season kicking into high gear and I'm already bored. More importantly, we're still having this insane discussion justifying reasons that some Americans have lesser rights because of their sexual orientation.... but great notes on the topic today. Gay male households often have higher average household incomes so there's no way the tax man won't come knocking on their doors, but great idea. There's a war tax resisters group, these people literally don't pay tax in proportion to the govts percentage expenditures on war, so it would be interesting to see the LGBT community do something similar for social issues.

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  15. Ha~ I'm laughing Bob! Wahoos and yahoos all quoting each other - if it weren't so scary it would be funny!

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  16. Bucky - "77% say the country is heading in the wrong direction". How is that different from any poll conducted in the past 10 years, and more importantly, what does it even mean?

    If a poller called and asked me that question I would ask for a definition: it's a bogus question.

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  17. I met Sabato once. He was nice enough, but his moustache makes him look like a 70s porn star.

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  18. Thanks, Bob, for the link. It is a long piece, but well worth reading because it comes not from the left, but from a genuine Republican for life. And it pretty much spells out the truth of the matter.

    Of course, as always these days, it will be ignored by those who need to read it the most, so we will keep on hearing the same uninformed/misinformed nonsense from the same mindless bigots...you know who I'm talking about.

    I'll repost the link here:

    http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779

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  19. Yeah Bob, thanks for posting that. That guy speaketh the truth.

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  20. And one of Tom Friedman's nicknames in the liberal blogoshpere is "The Moustache of Understanding".

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  21. And Bucky, 86% of those polled here, said you were a pain in the neck, 7% had a lower opinion, and the other one was you.

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  22. And think of it...I was out of town when the poll was taken.

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  24. Hi Sharon, OT, Arthur!

    That poll re Bucky reminds me of a poll taken by coworkers of a Baltimore homicide detective named Constantine, years ago. Apparently Det. Constantine had received some unsettling medical news. Some of his fellow detectives posted a listed, headed with the question, "Who doesn't give a sh!t whether Constantine lives or dies?" Below that were a list of names, starting with Mrs. Constantine, followed by the detectives' names.

    Then, the opposite question was posed, "Who does give a sh!t if Constantine lives or dies?"
    Only two names were on this list, Constantine's and the Baltimore Police Credit Union.
    --From "Homicide, Life on the Mean Streets," by David Simon.

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  25. WW: Things are OK in my existence, but busy, ran errands all thru lunch. Still slightly sore from my weekend exertions.

    Bob: Will read the item as work allows, or read it tonight. I remind that a few leftists have gone apostate and revealed the darker components of that side of the spectrum.

    Sharon: I hope all well in your world, particularly wrt plumbing. I found helping with Habitat very rewarding. I remarked that I got as much out of it, if not more, than the future resident of the house. I have felt similarly about my tours of duty at Samaritan Ministry, which I have had to curtail because of family needs.

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  26. Arthur...you have knowledge of 70s porn stars? You must be a man of many mysteries?

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  27. Good afternoon folks!
    LTE 1: Ahh.."If"..popular poem from Mr. Kippling ("Do you like Kippling? I don't know. I've never kippled"), popular song by Bread, beginning of many popular sayings, favorite word of the regretful.What's done is done. Maybe it will serve as a teaching moment as to the word "paraphrase".
    LTE 2&5: More questioning of the purpose and wisdom of the proposed amendment. The legislatures' hope of drawing out favorable voters using this divisive amendment may backfire on them.
    LTE 3: Giving money away to charity is a very noble act of compassion. Perhaps, Mr. Sams should consider giving it a try. Btw..comparing a person's household budget to the budget of a govt of > 300M people is just downright silly.
    LTE 4: W. actually came along 3 decades after Nixon's first inauguration. Whoever is President is going to receive heavy, sometimes over the top criticism regardless of party. Just the nature of the job. Whoever was elected in 2008 was going to face the "worst of situations". I wonder if Ms. Mount would have submitted an LTE thanking McCain for "tackling an impossible task" if he had won.

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  28. Re polls: way, way too early. My thoughts are that if Romney can avoid the Most Devout True Believer contest and still obtain the nomination, then he has a very legitimate shot. If the "R" nomination winds up being the winner of the Most Devout True Believer contest, then Obama walks away with the win.

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  29. yes,Stab, these sort of revelations are not new and are cergainly bi-partisan, but this one is most recent, until the next one. :)

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  30. Hi Bob, yes, you are right.

    Hi dotnet! Re "if": that brings to mind a sad rhyme from the "Lord of the Rings" series.

    Off all the words uttered by mortal men,
    None are sadder than, "Might have been."

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  31. Should be "OF all the words . . ."

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  32. Hi again everyone!

    Dotnet: re the polls @ 1:37 -- beautifully said.

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  33. Hi Whitewall!!! Did you and Mrs. Whitewall have a nice weekend?

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  34. Sharon, yes we did! Both of us enjoy the old Mississippi Blues men from years ago. I got hold of some Junior Kimbrough that can also be heard in the Porche car commercials currently. We thoroughly enjoy that Muddy Waters, Howlin Wolf etc. Storm is coming now.

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  35. That sounds great Whitewall, I'm going to keep my eye open for the commercial...

    Be safe in that storm! I hope my parents finally at least get some rain from it, because the rain clouds have skirted them for a month. They've literally had no rain, even with Irene.

    Big hug to you and Mrs. Whitewall.

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  36. A ham sandwich will be able to beat Obama in the next election. I have a feeling it may get really ugly, and the African Americans will go nuts.

    Reference my popularity: I'm part of the tough love crew. My job is to tell liberals the truth-that Obama is a terrible president, and he needs to go. Part of my therapy for knuckleheaded Democrats that refused to face the facts about Obama is to encourage them to call themselves the idiots that they are in the mirror. It can be reformative.

    That's why my numbers are down. Hey, if Hillary can recoup from dismal popularity numbers, so can I. But I'm not really worried, because I'm not running for any political office.

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  37. Obama's approval numbers are still falling at 43%, and his disapproval number is at 53%.

    He declared a whole host of laws uncontitutional and used dictatorial methods to implement de facto laws through administrative procedures. He's clearly the most problematic president in history in terms of his abuse of power.

    In short, the country is in a real leadership quagmire. We need electoral relief.

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  38. Those of us on the right-hand (or center-right in my case) frequently carp about media bias. There are, however exceptions, as in an exchange at today's WH briefing, according to Capitol Hill reporter Jamie Dupress. Press Sec Jay Carney was asked about Jr. Hoffa's vulgar reference to the Tea Party. Carney did the usual Press Sec sidestep (common to all of 'em, not just Dems), saying that Hoffa said that, not President Obama, who didn't hear Hoffa's crudity.

    ABC's Jake Tapper, one of the more straight-shooting journalists, came back and reminded Carney that the Obama campaign complained about warm-up remarks at McCain rallies in 2008. Dupree did not report on Carney's reply, if any.

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  39. No, Bucky, you're not part of the tough love crew.

    I'm convinced you're part of the psychiatric unit. We sometimes indulge you out of pity, boredom or perhaps even unrequited optimism that you might come 'round to reason.

    The shame of it all, Bucky, is despite the fact that you are almost universally wrong and sociopathically disconnected, deep down, you're actually ... smart. Such a waste.

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  40. Since we already have a poll about Senor Buckshot, I thought perhaps we should also have some genealogical details about him and his ancestors.

    His name comes from the Old English "buc" = he goat.

    As to his ancestors, according to the State Archive in Raleigh, one Pter Buck was hanged in Johnston County in 1758 for indecent exposure. The defense argued that since the judge hung out nightly at the Naughty Duchess Gentlemen's Club, he should recuse himself in this case. But the judge ruled that while it was not illegal per se to go naked in public, especially for comely lasses at the Naughty Duchess, it was certainly illegal for someone as ugly as Pter Buck to do so anywhere.

    Another Buck, probably his son, Seymour Buck, was hanged in New Hanover County in 1768 for being a peeping tom. In this case, the judge ruled that peeping into a dwelling wasn't all that bad and would have fetched 60 days on the roads, but that peeping into an outhouse was beyond the pale and so imposed the ultimate penalty.

    Sounds like it runs in the family.

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  41. I just posted a feel-good item in the Leopard's Limb.

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  42. O.T.'s ignorati strike again:

    http://blogs.aljazeera.net/americas/2011/09/04/welcome-texas-unless-youre-al-jazeera

    If any of those people actually bothered to follow Al Jazeera, they'd know it offers some of the best international coverage out there...there's just so much ignorance and bigotry out there.

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  43. Actually, Arthur, Hillary Clinton said the same thing some six months ago on March 2, 2011. I know you just want to get in a phrase using the 'bigot' word. Democrats love to do that.

    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/abc-news-in-a-flash-14044580?tab=9482931&section=4765066

    However, I'm glad to see you engaging. I promise I'll cut you as much slack as you would cut me. Heee...Heee...you gotta love it.

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  44. It sounds like Rielle needs some attention. I guess 'Johnny' is out of town. Oh dear..... He'll be out of 'pocket' before too long. I wonder if it'll cost him $400 to get his locks cropped in the hoosegow?

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  45. Bobby....sorry I missed you today. I was out on public bathroom patrol. You know how those 'banging' gay bucks can be? Yes you DO too, you naughty boy!

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  46. Obviously, Senor Buckboard got the wrong url, because there is nothing there about Hillary.

    Does that surprise anyone? I'm sure that whatever she might have said, it had nothing to do with Arthur's post.

    That story is not surprising either...as my mother always said...consider the source. Ignorant people want to stay ignorant. They effing LIKE being ignorant.

    I too tune in to Al-Jazeera every day...when it comes to reporting on southwest Asia and north Africa, they are usually a day or two ahead of western sources and more often than not more accurate as well. They have nothing to do with radical Islam.

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  47. Kitty Kat...that was a real nice history lesson. When you get a chance, can you give us a history lesson on former President James Buchanan? I'm sure it would be enlightening.

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  48. @O.T.: Yeah, their coverage on the Arab Spring has really been great. Libya was especially good. They're funded by the Qataris, so I took the Libya coverage with a grain of salt; but it was still pretty thrilling stuff.

    @Bucky: You're weird.

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  49. I try to include everyone promptly, but some people get testy when they are left out....Jeez.

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  50. OT, how do you tune into Al-Jazeera?

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  51. Online. http://english.aljazeera.net/

    Arthur: I always take EVERYTHING with a grain of salt, even though my doctor keeps telling me to "watch the salt". I don't think watching it will do much good. Avoiding it, yeah.

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  52. Al-Jazeera was founded by a bunch of BBC folks who found the coverage of events in their part of the world to be underwhelming. Think about that. The BBC, which I also consult regularly, has a rep for being the most comprehensive news outlet in the western world. Yet these folks thought that BBC coverage was wanting.

    When you consider that they are at the epicenter of WW III, or, possibly, the avoidance of same, and when you see what they have done to shed light on the events there, you must agree that they were right.

    The burning question of the moment (and it IS just the moment) is where is our boy Moammar? They have a better idea than anyone else.

    Was he in the convoy that crossed into Niger yesterday? His mouthpieces say no. Al-Jazeera says maybe. The convoy fits Moammar's modus operandi.

    For me, a more important question is can the rebels avoid the stupidities committed in Afghanistan, and, especially, in Iraq. So far, according to Al-Jazeera, they seem to have learned something from our bumbling.

    They have carefully pruned the Libyan police to remove Moammar's sadists, but have already welcomed back 40-50% of the other cops, necessary to maintain order.

    And the water has already been turned back on in Tripoli, while Iraquis still, 8 years later, do not have reliable running water. That story has the promise of a Frederick Forsyth thriller, because it apparently involves an ultra-secret commando raid by civilian engineers to turn on the water via the Great Man-Made River, a network of pipes that brings water 500 miles from underground aquifers in the southern desert, which had been turned off by Moammar's boys.

    And they admit that the waterflow is not yet 100%. Some lines are blocked by years of neglect. But they are already working on that as well.

    Al-Jazeera points out that there is still plenty of room to go wrong, and that the rebels are not yet totally in control of matters. But at least they tell us what is going on without reference to what Washington or London wants us to hear.

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  53. BUCKY - SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP BATHROOM PATROL.... I've been participating on the Journal forum for more than 2 years and I've noticed you never dialogue with me. Several times over the past weeks I've left you fair comments and questions and instead of discussing, you dismissively call me Rielle without addressing my comment. I've further noticed you don't dialogue with a lot of people on this forum... you only banter with the cute boys and men in authority like Staballoy.

    SO, I went out to celebrate my therapist friend's successful thesis defense, and we came around to talking about you. Using her extensive psychiatric/physchological journal database, we uncovered a HEAP of JURIED PROFESSIONAL ARTICLES ... ABOUT YOU! Now do I have your attention?

    Whenever I notice evidence of your denial, I'll post a quote or a link to another article. Tonight I'll start with the with oldest article first, and move up from there, because they only become more sound over time. Here's the first article:

    Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal? Journal of Abnormal Psychologogy (APA) 1996, Vol 105, No 3, 440-445.

    Brief excerpt from Abstract: "The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. ... Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. ... Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies."

    Read all the details (including the method) here: https://my.psychologytoday.com/files/u47/Henry_et_al.pdf

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  54. You know, Bucky, you can come clean with us. I believe the majority - if not all - of us would support you and finally respect you.

    There's nothing wrong with being gay.

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  55. Oh boy, this ought to be good.

    As an undergrad, I carried a triple major in English lit/history/political science. But one of the best courses I took was abnormal psych with a young Penn PhD who was interested in all kinds of things that had not really been examined very much.

    He liked field trips. We took a long one to the state penitentiary, another to the state mental hospital. In both cases, we were encouraged to do extensive interviews with inmates and keepers, and in both cases we came away wondering who the real problems were, the inmates or the keepers.

    And he brought in guest lecturers, one of whom was doing research on a then nearly forbidden subject: homophobia.

    Sharon's words,"Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies..." come right out of his earliest studies of the subject.

    Every study that I am aware of since has simply reinforced those early findings.

    I look forward to this dialogue.

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  56. Thanks OT, I'm sick of the abuse he gives some on this board, and it's ridiculous how often perfectly normal discussions are derailed by his bathroom fantasies.

    My therapist friend suggests another approach with Bucky, but she's a professional ... and patient.

    Fortunately I find the studies very interesting! :-)

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  57. Well, Sharon, I wouldn't take Senor Buckminster's abuse too seriously. He is not exactly the brightest bulb on our local Christmas tree. In fact, as you note, he avoids any serious dialogue with anyone. His presence is exemplified by ludicrous statements lacking any support. Even when he provides a link to "support" his claims, the link turns out to be non-existent, non-relevant or from some loony toons made up website.

    When he recently went into one of his rants about women and the military, I posted a sort of list of American women who had been military heroes dating back to the American Revolution, among them the first Medal of Honor winner during the Civil War, and including some that I was aware of in Viet Nam and also mentioning that we are edging ever closer to actually allowing women to participate in combat if they so wish via female carrier pilots who have been there and done that.

    His response was something like "You don't expect me to believe that!", which of course, a reasonable person would expect him to believe since everything that I said was simple fact.

    I share your interest in the studies, if for no other reason than that I participated in one of the early ones while I was in the early years of grad school. I was selected via a long and tortured questionnaire because I answered all of the questions honestly, stating that I had been brought up in a homophobic culture. Of course, at that point, I had only the haziest idea of what all that meant.

    And yes, I was hooked up to a primitive device and shown all kinds of stuff. I think that I was a disappointment to the professors, because not only did my instrument show actual shrinkage at the images of gay male activity, but my biggest "growth" area was produced by gay female activity.

    Of course, today, we know that many men are stimulated by that sort of activity. I have a number of female friends who are into that lifestyle and have admitted to some of them the results of my tests. They have enjoyed no end of teasing me about that, but a few have insisted on testing me themselves, with results that they found hilarious.

    Life is so very short. Only a fool would let sexual orientation interfere with happiness.

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  58. Kitty Kat and Rielle...you're both real testy tonight.

    First of all, Kitty Kat you never addressed my question about how many women were killed in Vietnam as compared to men, did you? For a big tuff Vietnam vet, which I highly doubt by the way, you seem to be extremely reluctant to answer my question.

    Furthermore, somehow in your twisted little mind, you think if you write some long oblivating rant about a particular topic, and it makes you more of an authority and more knowledgable about a subject than everybody else. It does not.

    To those of you that want to whine about some of my shocking comments, I say grow up. Many of my comments are made to make some of you know-it-alls think about the other side of the coin of a particular subject. Nothing more.

    My guess, Kitty Kat, you are a college professor or you are in some other similar type profession. In short, you are used to having a captive audience, and I annoy you to no end because I refuse to follow your train of psychotic thought. You see Kitty Kat, I base my opinions on real life experiences, the school of hard knocks, if you will. Not some blithering idiot that voted for Obama.

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  59. P.S. I must have felt that you guys were talking about me, that's why I woke up.

    Good night for good this time!

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